Nothing makes the skeptics happeier than to debate the physics of climate change.

We will never be able to convince any skeptic, ever, that pumping 100 billion metric tons of CO2 and a hundred other toxic particles into the atmosphere will have ANY negative effects on the environment. In their minds it's just impossible. I mean, really, these guys still think the Great Dust Bowl was a "big lie" invented by evil Democrats. Never happened and even if it did, well, surely it was not the result of any man-made activity! Perish the thought!

Let's concede the point and instead get to the heart of the debate: industrial pollution standards.

There is no debate over the toxicity of mecury. The "skeptics" don't have a leg to stand on there -- so I would love to see them try to argue that it "isn't necessary" to reduce mecury in our oceans and fresh waters.

The climate change debate has been a huge gift to the Republicans because they've been using it as a sheild to block any and all stricter industrial pollution standards. Every single time a Progressive politican proposes stricter industrial pollution standards (like reducing the allowable amount of pig manure dumped into our fresh water from 50 metric tons to 49.9 metric tons) the Republicans brilliantly lump THAT industrial pollution in with CO2 and claim such stricter standards are unnecessary because "climate change is all a hoax." Their entire game is to lump ALL industrial pollution in with climate change -- and since climate change isn't real then that means NO industrial pollution standard increases are necessary across the board. CO2. Mecury. Pig manure. Asbestos. They lump it ALL together.

We need to rip that defense away from no-government Republicans.

Let's concede the point and instead put them on the defensive and demand they explain why they think it's acceptable to have mecury in our fish and a hundred other cancer causing particulates spewing into low income neighborhoods from nearby factories with outdates emission controls.

This is all about government regulations and standards for insutrial sites.

And it is a FACT that seems to completely destroy ALL assumptions that global warming on earth is man-made.

Said with the same conviction as "skeptics" of The Great Dust Bowl.

People we're dying in the middle of a massive environmental disaster (caused because of removing all the natural grass holding the soil in place) -- and there was a small army of naysayers insisting (much like today) that surely this disaster has nothing to do with human activity!

"It's all sunspots!" they cried.

"It's commies! Those commies have invaded and are spraying entire states with defoliants!" they insisted.

"America endures a massive Dust Bowl every 100 years! It's natural and there is nothing we can do about. Anyone who even suggests doing something about it is...is a traitor!" they warned.

We've seen this kind of reaction to danger before. Some people roll up their sleeves and get to work. Other run around explaining why it is better to just ignore it and hope it goes away.

The "skeptics" remind me of stubborn teenagers who spend 4hrs arguing against doing their homework -- when just doing their homework would only take 1 hour.

Just increase the pollution standards for industrial sites and quit arguing about sunspots!

Once the rest of the "business friendly" Republicans lose their re-election bids (or get arrested or quit because of yet another gay sex scandal) these stricter standards are gonna be implemented. It's only a matter of time so why spend so much time and energy fighting against it? Cleaner air and water benefits everyone.

So let me get this straight....Hillary Clinton paid almost 4 million dollars to a man who did nothing, was in charge of nothing, made no decisions, had no staff, and takes no responsibility? Boy, that's sound fiscal judgment for you. If I were her, I would be asking for a big, fat refund!

-- dhendrix

You'd think someone with all of Hillary's "experience" would realize that Mark Penn sucks.

Proves Obama's point about how long resumes don't equal sound judgement.

Hillary is as into hiring and promoting loyal friends (over qualified candidates) as Bush is.

I especially liked the gravelly voiced announcer who grimly intones, "And Obama admitted that he hasn't even held a single oversight hearing!"

All that was missing was for him to add, "Do you really want a commie liberal like Obama with his finger on the button? Vote for Ronald Regan!"

It was just so tired and filled with the same cliches we've seen a million times before. Damn Hillary, why not go for broke and actually hold the flag in one hand and a bible in the other? Let's see just how many political ad cliches we can squeeze into a 90 sec spot.

Obama, however, wow! That was brilliant and different.