Just read a post wherein someone finds it funny that woman would be attracted to strong males. “Hee hee. He quotes Darwin! What a loser!”

So if a man approaches a woman with very low self-esteem, speaks in a whisper, flinches every time someone comes near him and admits that he has no money and can’t defend himself (or anyone else!) against an aggressor ---- we’re supposed to believe that woman wouldn’t find ANY of that a turn off?

Sorry kids, I know the politically correct idea is that you can be the world’s biggest loser with no confidence, no job and weigh 1,0000 pounds and a modern “enlightened” woman would never consider those negative qualities – but that’s just ain’t reality!

For 100 million years the strongest male in the tribe got the hot girls. The guy that could hunt the best to feed the family and was strong and resourceful enough to keep them alive got the best girls in the tribe.

Now after only a few thousand years women and men are both “enlightened” to the point where neither sex craves any of those qualities in the other? Men can be unemployed, unintelligent, unconfident androgynous losers and a “enlightened” modern woman wouldn’t find him any less desirable?

Let’s switch it up:

If a WOMAN approached a man with no confidence, spoke in a defeated whisper, started sobbing every time someone looked at her and weighed 1,0000 pounds – would we really expect the man to be interested in this person?

Mystery simply counsels men to act confident, like they are people worth getting to know.

Dale freaking Carnagie said the exact same thing!

So does Joel Olsteen!

So does Tony Robbins!

Its common sense, but because sex may (gasp!) possibly be involved it must be disregarded as evil. Have we reverted back to our Purtian days?

It's just ice-breakers folks. That's it.

The hysterical overreactions I keep reading are starting to veer into the "disturbing" side.

If you go into a job interview the adive is to give a firm handshake and look people i nthe eye while speaking.

Same thing here.

It's just techniques to help shy guys who tend to get overly nervous meeting ANYONE (let alone women) to communicate better.

Just as good interview skills don't amount to "mind control" that gets you every job instantly -- so to good social skills do not equate to "mind control" that forces women into sex.

All this hate that's being read into the advice Mystery is giving is odd and a little disturbing.

Flip the script:

If a WOMAN gave advice to another woman such as, "Be confident. Don't immediately start talking about how horrible your last boyfriend was. Look for scoail cues as to whether or not the topic your talking about is interesting to the other person."

If a woman gave another woman this advice for chatting up guys in a club -- would we be seeing all this hate?

Nope.

But if a man gives another man advice to talk to a woman such as, "Look her in the eye and try to smile. If you're talking about music and she is looking around the room, bored, interpret that as a social cue that you should change the topic." --- this is viewed as, at best, pathetic and at worst an attempt to rape!

And the women her areso indignant! So insulted!

Exactly what ice breaker is it that they find so "insulting"?

Well, the actual advice they don't mind -- it's the implications!

"This guy thinks we're all...we're all stupid whores!"

Um, how exactly are you getting that based on the common sense advice of "Act confident. Smile. Find topics of mutual interest?"

Just curious.

AKA Smith.

Please. The level of "moral outrage" in response to this thread is embarrassing.

Some men have difficulty striking up conversations with strangers, men or women, but especially women. This isn't shocking or news to anyone.

These men go to a guy to get tips on how to approach people, ice-breakers, how to strike up conversations and tricks on how to keep a conversation going.

How is this a "scheme" or "mind control" exactly?

But again, reading through a lot of the letters, you don't see people (especially women) veiwing this as normal or not worth commenting on. Instead of saying, "Who cares?" a lot of people, especially women, seem to be deeply offended.

Again, his big crime was to say women respond more favorable to men who are confident and know how to begin and maintain a conversation.

A lot of men (I'd say the majority) feel the need to "prove" themselves to the women on this board by chiming in, "Me too! I hate this guy too! He hates women! Anyone who has difficulty talking to women is...is a loser!" Why the men feel the need to chime in with the "me too's!' seem odd to me, but there it is.

I know, I know.

In order to prove your "enlightend male" street cred you have to automatically a) hate Mystery b) ridicule shy men seeking advice and c) insult any woman who ever falls prey to these conversational ice-breakers, er, I mean mind control scheme! "Those pathetic whores! How low must their self-esteem be to fall for such an ice-breaker, er, I mean mind control technique!"

To the chicks: come down! It's just advice for the socially ackward who have difficulty approaching strangers and striking up conversations.

To the men: you can calm down to. Piling on with the "me too's!" to show your solidarity with the women is not necessary. Though I'm sure they appreciate the effort.