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Tuesday, May 15, 2007 08:52 PM
Original article: Beyond biological sex

i disagree with you but at least I read what you say

And don't dismiss or attack you. And I actually engage in a discussion explaining what point of view I'm coming from. But really the last link that you send is titled "Is The Radical Feminist Movement Our Enemy?" Hello!!!! Yet again this is NOT the mainstream feminist movement. There is no legislation being pushed by NOW, Feminist Majority Foundation, AAUW, Third Wave (which describes itself as supporting young women and transgender youth), NARAL or Planned Parenthood. All of which one can find articles advocating transgender inclusion. In fact in the letters section of that article you referenced I see quotes like:

"There are individual radical feminists who certainly act as enemies to us. But i don’t think it would be constructive for us to engage the radical feminist movement in an adversarial way, in part because feminism in general is evolving to become more trans-supportive, and because they are natural allies on many issues, and because, well, i think we have worse things to worry about."

"I understand your anger and perhaps even fear of some radfems, Marti. However, their political power is negligible."

"but most radfems are not young. Younger feminists tend to be much less transphobic and tend to see the obviousness of being allies."

"Considering that we have mainstream feminist organizations like NOW on our side (which I think would be the equivalent of having the Catholic church on our side) I don’t think we need to spend alot of energy on these confused and bigoted people."

Reading through the letters it look like most of the complaints are about RADICAL FEMINIST SEPARATISTS. Again not the mainstream. But I think more interestingly is why you are so pissed off at feminism. I've explained my experience and where I see feminism lacking. I wholeheartedly admit that I'm not a part of the LGBT community, I don't see why that is narrow minded, I just don't fall into any one of those categories. My old social scene overlapped with the gay community but since I've gotten older I rarely go out anymore so it's not on my radar screen anymore. I have been involved in working against my state's anti-marriage amendment which I got into because of my participation in feminist groups.

And it find it funny that you are railing on about "narrow minded" feminist sites like Broadsheet on a topic that was about endorsing the growing visibility and inclusion of transgender people!

Wednesday, May 16, 2007 06:24 AM

this is probably the difference

Most (not all) women don't just want to get laid. We want relationships or if we are going to have sex we want it to be with someone who we know to be safe, has references or there is the possibility of a relationship developing. Why would we have sex with some strange man who probably won't even bother or know how to get us off? Going to bar and taking a man home may be easy for the average woman (granted she's not going to get the best pick) but there will most likely be at least one guy willing to f---- her. But most women would never do this, the risk (STD, pregnancy, crazy pyscho guy, being labelled a slut) isn't worth the reward (a possible orgasm). It's much safer and expediant to go home and masturbate. A lot of men don't worry about the risks or the risks aren't as great since they will most likely be able to overpower a female attacker and the don't get pregnant and several STDs are more easily transmittable from M to F.

But I'd also say that most of the guys that I know are a lot pickier than the trolls here think men are. I've seen them turn down great options because the weren't interested in "just sex" or because the woman didn't fit (what I thought) was some random characteristic (one guy wouldn't date women with big teeth...i'm not kidding!). And I've found that all of my male friends are much more discriminating about who they would get into a serious relationship with. A few of them actually had list of things that they were looking for in a wife and if a woman didn't fit those things, they weren't "date-able."

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