Anon: "I still maintian though that there would be NO child support liable BIRTHS if men could remove the obligation by getting an abortion"

I think you forgot about the children that married couples raise together until they get divorced. Or how about the gay or lesbian parents that have children together but dissolve their civil unions but still must support the children they were raising together. Or when a man encourages his girlfriend(s) to have his children while he has no intention of supporting his children and doesn't even support his existing children.

I've also got a question...just how would a man get out of his obligation by getting that abortion? Do you mean to hold down your wife/girlfriend/lover while the doctor does the work? If you are advocating male pregnancy, then sign me up! I want kids but I want to go through nine months of gaining a bunch of weight, stretching out my tummy, losing my pelvic muscle tone, and going through the pain of labor. ha, now I sound like my husband!

And for your comment:

"and that if men had a birth control pill it would NEVER get skipped or "forgotten" unless the man had reason to believe that he wasn't going to be on the hook for support."

see http://www.salon.com/mwt/broadsheet/2006/11/28/pill/index.html and the comments about it.

They make a trans-fat free veggie shortening. I use it in my choco chip cookie recipe (with half butter) and it doesn't taste any different than using regular shortening. I can taste the difference between foods cooked in peanut, olive, and corn oil, but I couldn't tell the difference between cottonseed, palm, soybean or canola. I'm not sure I really think there should be a ban, but I'd like the option of having non-trans fat versions to choose from, and the easy availability of the information on the menu.

To one person's point, yes the "ugly" are excluded under the regulation that anyone with a facial deformity is considered ineligible. To the other person, the source article points out that Chinese adoptions are popular because the Chinese orphanage/adoption system is thought to be well run and efficient and the children are better cared so there is a liklier possibility of having a healthy child.

So of the regulations I can get behind, like no newly weds or multiple divorces or already having 5 children. I'm good with people in stable relationship of 5+ years and if you already have 5 kids, people without any should go ahead of you. But the BMI restriction, facial deformities, taking anti-depressents, having a disability, etc are outrageous. How can having a facial deformity make you an unfit parent? Anti-depressants are taken for a multitude of reasons from things like pelvic pain disorders to IBS to season affective disorder to social anxiety. None of those conditions makes a person an unfit parent. Also if someone has battled and beaten cancer, I don't see why they shouldn't be eligible. I had a friend that had a cancerous skin patch removed 10+ years ago when he was 18, he's a perfectly fit person with a lifetime ahead of him.

"And this means the same thing

Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

Ephesians 5:21-31"

And is used quite often as a reading/homily during traditional Christian wedding ceremonies.

A fetus is a baby when it is born. According to the news article, the woman after finally being admitted to a hospital gave birth to a very premature baby. That baby died after a minute. In that case, I think she could have a wrongful death suit, although she might have a hard time proving that with immediate medical assistance the premature birth could have been stopped. But that's all up to the courts now. Please read the articles that are being commented on before posting irrelevant and incorrent statements.