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Tuesday, June 10, 2008 04:57 AM
Original article: The mother-daughter wars

Some women don't deserve feminism

It makes me so sad to see the incredible achievements of feminism pulled apart by a thousand petty complaints, as it is being here in some of the letters and by Rebecca Walker - apparently. (haven't read the article).

I have to say it's a typically feminine, victimy, whiny way of undermining women, too. What mother ever feels good enough? What daughter ever feels her mother was good enough? Haven't these people EVER heard of how oppression and discrimination affects groups for generations, hurting their most intimate relationships right along with their self esteem and job prospects?

Feminism, for all its incredible achievements, is still relatively young. Of course mistakes will be made. But to say feminism 'betrayed' women ... haha ha ha ha ha. I'm laughing until I cry. Baby, if feminism betrayed you then who stood by you? The patriarchy?

These people who think this way need to get a grip, and a history lesson. In the 19th century if a woman was unfaithful to her husband he could cut her off without a penny, and no access to her children. She was shunned by polite society, often forced into prostitution. In many countries this wasn't even that long ago - Princess Diana's mother is a prime example. Women couldn't get an education. Women weren't entitled to sit on juries. Domestic violence didn't exist - that was just people's private business. Rape within marriage didn't exist - in some countries this was until the 1870s (the UK). Rape laws, reproductive rights, education, equal pay, blah blah blah blah.

The biggest thing about feminism is it gives women the right to make choices. It won't save them from making bad ones. And how can you blame a movement for 'betraying' you, anyway?

Typical feminine, let me work out a way to avoid responsibility for myself behaviour. Man. Some women don't deserve feminism.

Tuesday, June 10, 2008 11:12 PM
Original article: The mother-daughter wars

Third wave feminism sounds like the 'Real' IRA ...

1. What on earth is third wave feminism? Don't tell me! I don't give a s***. I'm a feminist. I support and practise reproductive choice, my civil liberties, my rights in the workplace and at home. I'm grateful to the women before me. And that's all I need to know about that. You can tell when certain members of a movement are disappearing up their own arse when you're expected to be keeping up with which 'wave' it is right now.

2. Women have always worked outside the home. Just a little point of correction there. Women only began NOT working outside the home in droves after WWII when they vacated the jobs they had been doing as part of the war effort for returning soldiers. It was in the 40s and the 50s that the ideal of the stay at home mother was invented. This coincided with the popularisation of psychology that helpfully posited 'attachment theory' validating the importance of a mother being with her child continuously in its formative yeras. This also wasn't the norm before this when women routinely had household help with their children, or else WERE the household help.

Wednesday, June 11, 2008 01:55 AM
Original article: The mother-daughter wars

hey the fakedoctor

Very cool to be responded to - thanks.

Yeah, when I was Womens Officer at my university in the early nineties people were always hauling me up to defend feminism against the charge that we hadn't yet achieved utopia. Incredible.

So many young women then said they weren't 'really' feminists. I used to say 'then go home. What are you doing at university? What are you doing hoping to become a professional?' It's very sad that women have so little idea where their real interests lie and what their real history has been.

Wednesday, June 11, 2008 10:56 PM

Convert II

You're joking, right? The answer to this is as old as the hills. He doesn't wanna get married yet. He's having fun and playing around off the reservation. No one in his community cares how he treats these girls. When he is ready to marry he'll pick a gorgeous Jewish girl and treat her right, and it will be just like all those shiksas never existed - except in his fond memory bank. Baboom.

Sunday, June 15, 2008 11:09 PM

Your No.1 Job

The way I see working in any organisation is this: your no.1 job is to get along with everyone.

Pretty much like anywhere else, really. Family, school, on the street. We have to learn how to live in harmony, and that's your job as much as it is anyone else's.

This is simple, yet profound, and it applies equally to the CEO as the admin assistant. Try not getting along with anyone and see how long you last.

Of course, if someone's life is at stake you need to find a way to get heard. If some terrible crime is about to be committed you need to get a hearing. But even so, you STILL have to get along with everyone. And if you don't manage to find a way to do it in this job you'll have to do it in the next. So you may as well learn how to do it in this job. And if it isn't a question of life and death then, in the name of getting along with everyone, you probably should keep your trap shut.

Tuesday, June 17, 2008 07:53 PM

So .... who is she? And he?

Are these spirits real? Are they images stored somewhere in the brain that the chemicals trip every single time? Kind of weird, don't you think? That she 'exists' for different people in the same form? Suggests she might be ... real in some way? Or is this like alien hallucations, and the salvia trips some kind of ancient archetype in the brain? What do you think?

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