Gotta agree with awesome-o on this point:

" I work with several girls in the 21 year age range. If I didn't know better I would think they're in high school, and I'm only 31. Any man over 30 who would find that interesting for more than a couple nights of hot sex seriously has a screw loose. "

Thank you for your dose of coolness and honesty in this discussion.

Some of these posters must not live near me. And LW, I feel for you. I look around every day and see hot women over 30/40/50. Relationships go deeper and are better. Even women are nicer to each other because they have lived and value their girlfriends more. Men who have the arm candy are usually pretty cheesy. Some of those women only care about appearance (perhaps because of this) and that is just dull.

(Please note for the record, there are exceptions, rare and refreshing.)

You've gotta be kidding me. Like Helen Mirren isn't sexy? Susan Sarandon? No point in making a list here and to each his own, but this ageist crap has no reality. Experience is attractive. How about that goofy show on tv, Age of Love. 20 somethings and 40 somethings pitted against one another for the benefit of a conniving ex tennis pro in his 30's. Given a choice, paltry as it would be, I'd hang with the "older" women anyday.

People who love don't choose that love based on age. People who like only sex with a partner don't even do that anymore because it's unimaginative. Man, you guys are old school.

"So let us look at the simple truth. You had a series of disappointing experiences with men. You were hurt. You feel bad. You are trying not to go from anger to fury to sadness to despair. You want to keep your optimism."- C.T.

LW, I just read Cary's response and agree with this paragraph completely. Stick to the simple truth. Men are not all bad, just like women are not all bad. Especially not because of age so don't let the bastards get you down. Your BS detector may need a little tweaking, that's all. Love is madness, attraction is madness. I believe a few letters back it was Cary who responded that we are all mad over this stuff.

Do things that you love to do and let it flow...you'll soon find yourself in a happier place, perhaps with a real and honest man. Go on with your bad self, go on girl!

Good stuff T. Gray!

"What I have noticed reading the letters on this issue, is how hateful people can be to each other particularly when they perceive some sort of slight to their respective egos. For heaven sakes are there really men out there who are still bitterly chewing on the rejection they encountered when they were in their pimply teens? And are there really women out there who can only be happy with themselves if they are "popular" with the boys?"

I was disappointed to read some posts saying that they were hurt and now they hate. The guy on the skateboard pining away for the 15 yr old who chose an older boyfriend? C'mon dude! We've all suffered unrequited love. Another poster said that is the stuff of most literature and music. That is truth.

So now LW, according to some of these posts, here's what you need to do: Make fantastic "breakup/diss" cds, then listen to it while you get your butt in the gym, on the trail, whatever.

Perhaps songs including Tyrone by Eryka Badu, Smile LIke You Mean it by The Killers, Angie Stone's U Haul, Damaged Goods by Gang of Four, Obstacle 1 by Interpol, Seen it All Before by Amos Lee, Dirty Low Down and Bad by Keb Mo, Edith Wilson or any woman in blues.

Lucinda Williams and Gillian Welch (Look at Miss Ohio, My First Lover) can put this feeling right, when you need them. How about some more current: Beyonce with her Ring the Alarm, The Clash, Annie Lennox( Erased), Beck, Seven Nation Army by White Stripes, Police, AC/DC, Alanis, The Yeah Yeah Yeahs? In just two minutes I found this in music here on the old computer. LW, the world is rich in songs of loss/anger/bitter. Just look up "Cry me a River" and take your pick. It's been done.

Oh! I know, a song by The Breeders called No Aloha. That seems approp. to THIS conversation.

Bring on the tunes LW! I'll mix it for you if you'd like since I am a wanna-be dj anyway. (If my friends saw this there would be laughter, lots of laughter). Music will make you feel better and maybe even make you laugh.

-mixmaster e.m.

All I can say is that I leave these movies wanting to learn to to fight, climb, and take up parkour just for fun. What a rip roarin' good time it is to see Matt in this entertaining trip across an unforgiving worldly landscape the rest of us wouldn't even attempt!

Hmm, now where did I put that number for the "Jumping off buildings and cars while looking sexy 101" course?

" What are you prepared to give me if I hand him over to you?"

When he is alone someday, ruminating on this disaster he calls career, will he be listening to The Otis Rush Blues Band, "It's My Own Fault" or Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds, "People Just Aint No Good" ?

Judas Lieberman just 'aint no good could be a bumper sticker.

The only place OJ belongs is jail and EVERYONE knows this. At this point he is a most despicable freakshow. No reason to argue or bring in personal issues.

The caller who asked if he killed Bill though, hysterical. Chris Farley lives!

Pacifica is cold. You may want to curl up by the fire with a book called O.J. The Last Word by Gerry Spence.