Words can have mulitple meanings to multiple groups, Karl Rove has used that tactic brilliantly over the past 8 years.

For example:

Clinton: "Give me a break! This WHOLE thing is a fairy tale!" On the surface you could argue he is only talking about Obama's war position. But then, why didn't he say" "This whole ARGUMENT is a fairy tale"? or "This whole POSITION is a fairy tale?".

Why not? Because he was trying to disparage Obama! Obama, the black man who trancends race and politics, the black man who wins over white voters. A fairy tale that Black Americans should not rest their hopes on.

And as for Hillary Clinton's MLK/Johnson comment, I would only ask this: WHY, WHY did she feel the need to bring up that point in the first place? What possible relevance does the roles of MLK, Johnson, and the civil rights movement have on this race? To some extent, her comments were akin to suggesting that it was the British who deserved credit for liberating India, not Ghandi.

It wouldn't be political discussion thread without a Ron Paul support jumping in and rambling about something that has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

You guys would crash a thread about the economics factors contributing to the rising cost of dairy products.

I am tired of the suggestion that has been made over and over that both Obama and Clinton have equally contributed to this squabble.

I may be an Obama supporter, but I also like to think of myself as somewhat objective in my political analyses. When has Obama done anything to stir the pot?

The Clintons continue to make disparaging remarks (it takes a PRESIDENT to get it done, what a fairy tale) and then play the victim card whenever people call them on their bullshit! I'm sick of it, the Clintons play the victim card way too many times.

I respect that the Clintons desperately want to win. What serious candidate wouldn't? But the tactics they are using, the brutal way they are playing with race will lead to nothing but a Pyrrhic victory. Hillary may win the nomination if she keeps this up, but she will find that key Democratic constituents will be too alienated to give her support in the general election.

Have we forgotten the incredible positive energy Obama's Iowa win generated? Hell, even Republican candidates like Romney were starting to fall all over themselves about the man his powerful message.

Now, after almost two weeks of being drawn into the muck with the Clintons, Obama's strengths are being overshadowed by these petty distractions.

I disagree with many of the posters on Salon; Obama is not to blame for the thinly veiled racist words continually thrown by Hillary, Bill, and their supporters. And anyone who tries to paint both campaigns with the same brush are simply not looking at the facts. Hell, even John Edwards, a man who stands to benefit greatly by this squabbling, has condemned the Clinton machine and defended Obama.

Rovian tactics of smear, subterfuge, and scandal are no less poisonous to this country when they are being committed by a Democrat.

There have been a lot of smears in this campaign, but the bulk of them have been directed at Obama by the Clinton team. The Clintons are working hard to bait Obama into a debate about race. They are trying to transform him from a candidate who is black to a "black" candidate in the mould of Jackson or Sharpton.

Karl Rove would be proud at this attempt to subvert Obama's strength (his ability to transcend race and politics) into a weakness.

As Democrats, we were outraged when Bush used these tactics to corrupt the noble and heroic deeds of Kerry in Vietnam. How can any Democrat now sit by and let a good, honorable, and dedicated man like Obama be given the same treatment!

There are a lot of Democrats who reject Obama's big tent approach. Many feel that it's time to give as good as we got, to play the same game George Bush played when it's our turn. This is a giant mistake. Why would we think that the sneaky and duplicitous tactics of the Bush regime would serve the Democrats or America any better? Eight years after embracing the politics of Karl Rove, the Republicans stand poised to suffer a humiliating defeat! Eight years from now, why would the outcome be any different for Democrats if we adopt the same strategies?

The upcoming primaries are our chance to send a message to the political establishment that we viciously reject the political manipulations of the past 8 years. Right now, only a vote for Obama or Edwards sends that message.

I would remind those lording it over the pundits that they weren't pulling their predictions out of thin air.

Almost every post-Iowa poll showed Obama trouncing Clinton by up to 10 points. Obviously, whoever was devising the samples for these polls made a serious miscalculation. Either that, or Clinton did something truly fantastic to turn the tables around in two days.

Polling is not an unscientific process, it follows rigorous standards that have proven to be reliable (within accepted margins of error) time and time again. How Clinton gained 12 points on her opponent in two days is going to be a politica feat analyzed for a very long time.