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Tuesday, June 10, 2008 07:43 AM

furthark

Why conservatives failed:

Conservatives basically believe that government's primary function is to exert authority.

They believe that the government is there to tell you what to do, when to do it, and who to do it too. They don't see it as being a representation of the people for the people so much as a figure seperate to the people that governs over the people.

This worldview goes all the way back to feudalism. It is why for all of their patriotic fervor, religious conservatives are so fervent about sucking up to this "Lord" they keep on talking about.

Joking aside, it is also why conservatives saw voting against Lieberman for failing to adequately represent the views of the CT Democrats that elected him, as being unreasonable.

Anyway, the liberal movement believes the opposite.

Government's primary function is to serve the authority of the people, as presented by the people's representatives in the Senate, Congress and Whitehouse.

It is through these representatives that the people in general choose what laws govern their society, what taxes they pay, what services they get. Though imperfect, the best means of gauging the will of the people is generally to ask them.

This is what voting is all about, government asking you what you want from it by allowing you to vote for your chosen candidate.

Now the net result of this is: Conservatives, when they end up in government, tend to take to using the authoritarian aspect of it while ignoring the service aspect.

Further, while they are not in power, they strive to undermine the government in a million little ways. They will hire illegal aliens, try to cheat their taxes, try to cheat on environmental standards, all in service to sticking it to the man.

You see the result of this in tax rolls. The vast majority of the contributors to the Fed on a net tax dollar basis are the blue states, while the red states dominate in taking from the fed.

As conservatives, when in power, see themselves as being the "CEO's" of America, essentially the ones who are "Bosses" to the whole operation, they see nothing wrong with helping out a few buddies with the gravy train. They cut costs on things that people need (For example, upgraded levies in New Orleans) and boost costs for true pork barrel projects (A bridge to nowhere, Alaska.)

Where they claim greatest strength is in military and policing, but here too they see nothing wrong with failing, only with the practicalities of appearing to fail. You won't get much of a conservative expressing alarm at how little America's vast military spending is producing in results, you will only get them trumpeting how strong it makes them look on defense.

A failure to enforce the law at its highest levels is taken as being par for the course - they aren't about to arrest themselves for not doing anything they actually see as being wrong.

Unnapposed, this leads to what you have seen in six years of the Republicans holding all three houses, and what you have seen in the Republican base.

Tuesday, June 10, 2008 06:40 AM

CSM-101

Those were all due to the conservative movement failing.

You lost. You proved once and for all that conservatives are too stupid, too ignorant and too evil to be trusted with power - after all, it was six years under your president that landed America in this current mess.

Now liberals have "won" a chance at maybe fixing some of it up, though some of us are dubious as to just how fixable the situation is. Particularly as dipshit conservatives strive to sabotage our efforts.

Tuesday, June 10, 2008 05:36 AM

ryanmi4

You talk about how we don't understand, we understand plenty. We understand that you are too chickenshit to actually hold any values whatsoever.

Sure you slam those you think are in a weaker position than you in society - hell those gays who want to get married, atheists who want equal rights, doesn't matter much to you so long as you can whine about them being evil immoral "Latte Liberal" elites.

But when it comes to actually having the balls to stand by anything like your convictions, pfft, you are worried about your head and your ass, because even you can't tell the difference between the two.

It doesn't matter one bit what these people who have been found innocent want to do to America. This is about what America did to them. If we define our morality by the worst our enemies will do are we any better than our enemies?

And don't come back claiming to have served a minute of a day in the military, because hell knows you wouldn't endorse this being done to any damn marine you would have met on duty.

Tuesday, June 10, 2008 01:41 AM

Lets hear one for the wonderfully moral conservative movement

That ushered in such American values as indefinite detention of the innocent for being in the wrong place at the wrong time, inhumane treatment of prisoners, and all of that other wonderfully "Tough" rhetoric.

Lets all applaud how they have taken America's military and made the very worst the rest of the world had to say about them true.

Yay traditional conservative family values! Oppresion, torture and worshipping their devil in the name of their God.

Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:37 AM

Speak honestly with him about it

He is being straightforward about this. He isn't sending mixed signals, he is telling it like he sees it for now.

If you want to get married and have children you should be equally straightforward about it. He may change his mind, he may not, either way you are in a position where you know what is happening.

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