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Thursday, September 13, 2007 06:37 AM

The Democrats are going to lose in 2008

Sorry, but the fact is that is how it stands right now. The Democrats, due to their continued habit of being completely spineless frigging morons don't stand a chance in 2008.

The Republicans are going to quite justly, point out that the Democrats haven't shown the least bit of an interest in actually doing anything now that they are the majority, and all of those voters who showed up in 2006 are going to stay home.

While the Democrats try their damnedest to distance themselves from the leftwing blogosphere, play the "Compromise" game with nutters who want to turn America into a Fourth Reich, and generally act like their supporters are clueless morons, the Republicans are going to rally their base and win the elections.

This is unless the American people get the cajones to vote independent, which of course will only mean a return of the 2000 whine of "We could have won if those independents..."

The Democrats could have won in 2000 if they weren't so afraid of looking different to the Republicans. The real lesson the Democrats should have taken from the independents, from the blogs and from the victories of the Republican perty is: "Americans, when given the choice between Republicans and Republican lites will vote Republican and get the real thing, not some cheap knock-off without any punch."

The real lesson they should have taken from 2006 was that the American people didn't want a Republican run government. They wanted a change and by acting like Republicans sans the balls, the Democrats are losing the support born of that.

And if I sound like a troll it is because the party which should be running America right now is proving the trolls right.

Thursday, September 13, 2007 06:54 AM

susan sunflower

The Republicans can go hang. The Democrats may not have a veto-proof majority, but they do have enough of a majority to draw the purse strings shut. No more money, no more war.

But the Democrats can't quite bring themselves to face some nasty rhetoric from a profoundly unpopular president tied to a profoundly publically corrupt party.

They have proven every charge of cowardice against them true and there is no reason to vote for them anymore. None. They are Republican-Lites and as such, worthless.

Thursday, September 13, 2007 08:21 AM

tomreedtoon

The Democrats have become every bit as much of a rubber stamp to Bush as the Republicans were. They have done this because you insist on voting for them whatever they do, so they don't have to work for your vote.

They don't give a shit about you, or about the wounded Iraqi soldier. They don't give a shit that they are currently helping the Republicans ruin America. So long as they know their seat is safe what that seat represents can go hang.

So, my question is: When are you going to change your vote away from them, and towards somebody who actually is willing to work for it?

What would it take from the Democrats, for you to change your vote to supporting an independent candidate? A constitutional amendment letting Bush stand for a third term?

Thursday, September 13, 2007 08:39 AM

Axordil

Okay, how about making a start by electing independents for Congress then?

There are a few seats, how about making sure some of those Blue Dogs get kicked out?

Because at this rate you might as well have voted Republican in 2006.

Thursday, September 13, 2007 09:43 AM

Axordil

Unless something big changes, think eight, maybe even ten years. If the Democrats inherit Iraq they will never leave because of the "Backstab" meme, and if the most likely case occurs and the Republicans win, well, you will have the same effect because they will take it as being an affirmation of the war in Iraq.

Right now there is no point to voting Democrat, and thus you may as well vote independent and end up with a chance, however slight, of effecting real change. Otherwise you may as well vote Republican.

Tuesday, September 25, 2007 03:39 AM
Original article: After Jena

Is America a nation of laws, or of men?

Does the fact that someone holds highly objectionable views give you the right to, along with five of your friends, beat the hell out of them?

Does the fact that someone doesn't like you for reasons which are frankly irrational overule that someone's right to not get beaten up?

Would you support them if it was a matter of six rapture-ready Christians beating the hell out of an Atheist in a secular neighbourhood?

Or how about if a couple of black Muslims beat up a black Christian over a religious dispute?

I know my examples aren't entirely equivelant, I know that there was a lot behine Jena, but I have to ask, when six people beat up one person, and you support them for it, where do you draw the line?

Tuesday, September 25, 2007 04:25 AM

What America liberals don't undersand, that American conservatives do

Don't settle for second.

Seriously, how long has the Democratic party, which I normally term Democrats because they are NOT Democratic, ridden roughshod over its base while fighting everything its base believes in?

In the sixties you had Vietnam. The Democratic, liberal base opposed it. There were huge rallies against it, and the moral zeitgeist of the day... led directly to Nixon, a pro-war hawk of a crooked Republican, being the one to get America out of that fiasco.

JFK, was more conservative then Reagan, and LBJ, for all of his sterling work on equality, ultimately is remembered for keeping America in a quagmire for apparently no gain.

Then you had the Carter years. It wasn't the oil price, it wasn't the Iranian hostage crisis, it wasn't even the dissillusionment over corruption that nailed him in history, it was a Democrat congress fighting tooth and nail, against every liberal instinct Carter had.

This has carried on right up until today, when the Democratic base is calling for impeachment, for withdrawal from the Iraq war, for serious measures on reducing America's debt, and for public healthcare.

So long as the American liberal voter settles for second, votes for the party he feels is "Centrist" rather then actually being "Left" the American liberal voter is going to get no voice in American politics.

Thus, vote left, don't vote Democratic.

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