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Monday, October 15, 2007 11:57 AM
Original article: Proud atheists

mimi gray

Atheism's most potent argument (The lack of evidence) still applies in my view. Basically, it is not for us to prove a negative, it is for you to prove a positve.

When there is more evidence in my opinion may change to agreeing with yours, indeed I quite respect deism as a belief system, but until then I will be stuck with muddling through without a clear idea of what is or isn't up there.

Monday, October 15, 2007 11:57 AM
Original article: Proud atheists

mimi gray

Atheism's most potent argument (The lack of evidence) still applies in my view. Basically, it is not for us to prove a negative, it is for you to prove a positve.

When there is more evidence in my opinion may change to agreeing with yours, indeed I quite respect deism as a belief system, but until then I will be stuck with muddling through without a clear idea of what is or isn't up there.

Monday, October 15, 2007 12:09 PM
Original article: Proud atheists

Anonymous

That was straight out of the Bible and confirmed precisely what I said about a tradition of clemency. You know the Bible? That big book that's supposed to be ultimate truth? Central to the Christian religion? That you claimed I hadn't read?

If you treat you treat the whole Bible as fiction you are no more a Christian then I am. You are possible agnostic, or simply something else, but you are not a Christian.

Oh, and before you try to reach for the translation lifeline, courtesy of http://bible.cc/mark/15-6.htm

New American Standard Bible (©1995)

Now at the feast he used to release for them any one prisoner whom they requested.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)

At every Passover festival, Pilate would free one prisoner whom the people asked for.

King James Bible

Now at that feast he released unto them one prisoner, whomsoever they desired.

American Standard Version

Now at the feast he used to release unto them one prisoner, whom they asked of him.

Bible in Basic English

Now at the feast every year he let one prisoner go free at their request.

Douay-Rheims Bible

Now on the festival day he was wont to release unto them one of the prisoners, whomsoever they demanded.

Darby Bible Translation

But at the feast he released to them one prisoner, whomsoever they begged of him.

English Revised Version

Now at the feast he used to release unto them one prisoner, whom they asked of him.

Tyndale New Testament

At the feast Pilate was wont to deliver at their pleasure a prisoner: whomsoever they would desire.

Weymouth New Testament

Now at the Festival it was customary for Pilate to release to the Jews any one prisoner whom they might beg off from punishment;

Webster's Bible Translation

Now at that feast he released to them one prisoner, whom they desired.

World English Bible

Now at the feast he used to release to them one prisoner, whom they asked of him.

Young's Literal Translation

And at every feast he was releasing to them one prisoner, whomsoever they were asking;

Monday, October 15, 2007 02:00 PM
Original article: Proud atheists

Anonymous (The Christologist)

Here's the thing, you are going with the "Its so 19th century" argument, but the thing is, the Bible is the basis Christian belief and you accused me of not having read it when I delivered my criticism of it.

I have proved you wrong and now you are trying to duck the issue by somehow claiming that the Bible doesn't form the core of Christian belief (In which case there is no Christian belief.)

And this particular story, is central to theme of Jesus dying for our sins, without that story, without taking the death of Jesus, there is no forgiveness from God for original sin.

Tuesday, October 16, 2007 12:11 AM
Original article: Proud atheists

Anonymous (The Christologist)

Okay, I'll accept that you aren't the same person.

That said, a guy (I am going to assume you are male for the purpose of pronouns) who believes that there is a big something in the sky that is going to toast him in hell for all eternity because he once told a fib he forgot about, isn't exactly one with much call to talk about bogeymen.

And further, conflating two people making fatuous arguments, particularly when the latter one appears to be continuing the same argument as the former hardly counts as looking for a bogeyman. It may be a honest mistake, but it isn't exactly an impossible one.

Also, you haven't answered my argument: Without the Bible, what is the Christian religion? Without the story of Jesus, with the central theme to Christianity being Jesus dying for your sins, what is Christianity?

One may as well base ones faith on the far superior teachings of Yoda if you are going to take the tac of following the Bible as a book of fiction.

And while I agree the Bible isn't the truth, I am an Atheist after all, I have to say that I can't see how somebody can be a Christian and not accept the Bible as truth.

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