Those I understand . . . but avoiding music and movies?

What would be okay topics to bring up? I guess I lump music and movies in the same bucket as books, travel, activities or anything else that people do out of interest. I am always curious about what a person finds interesting. Maybe that is because I find curiosity a good asset in a friend and/or date.

MMM - Just because "upskirt" is as familiar a term to you as IPOD, don't think it is to most people.

Consider it along the lines of "MILF" which only recently was semi maintreamed via the Tina Fey SNL opening. Lots of little terms that come out of the sex entertainment world are not well known to those who don't dwell there.

And no - there is no defence for someone shoving a camera under another's skirt. Just pure bad manners and yes, a violation of another's personal integrity and privacy.

Why someone would "want" to do that - bewhildering to me. But there are people who never progress beyond their 12 year old self.

12 year olds are disciplined when they do this kind of action. Adults who are doing it need more drastic punishment since the lessons didn't take when they were younger.

When women critisize other women, or bad behaviour by males, the easy way to silence her is to say the she is jealous, or ugly, or old, or fat, or has small breasts or is frigid or is a "wide load" or, well you get the gist.

Unfortunately it does silence a lot of women.

Just like the accusations of pussy-whipped, girley man, and all kinds of assumptions on a man's sexuality, will silence a lot of men who want to critisize bad behaviour of other males.

In some ways it shows the base level of what is valued in males and females.

Taking shots up a woman's skirt is bad behaviour. It is just as bad when the papparazzi do it. And I don't care if the woman is "asking" for it. It is just bad behaviour.

Hey, Bigguns - I hate the fat old ugly jealous bit. It just annoys the snot out of me because I know it is an attempt to make me feel anxious about myself and go shut up!

I'll continue to criticize both men and women when they are doing stupid things - or behaving in a poor way.

I especially love the fat bit too. I am slender and physically in shape. Not bragging - I know I am lucky - but the things I enjoy just seem to keep me that way.

So when I hear the fat and ugly bit - I always am curious what the sayer of such things looks like - or can do.

@mmm

I believe your last post is what would be classified as a straw man argument. While beating to death a young man and getting away with it is horrible miscarriage of justice, what does it have to do with this subject?

Which is that shoving a camera up a woman's skirt to take a picture is poor behaviour at best, and an invasion of privacy along the lines of a peeping tom at worst.

Oh, the term "MILF", which comes out of the sex entertainment world, has not as far as I am aware, been heard in a television show, other than SNL. The fact that it appeared there - shows it is becoming mainstreamed.

I can figure out what "upskirt" is, given this context, but as a term? Nope - not in my lexicon of common speech. Perhaps in yours?

Could it be that the men who embrace the 'traditional' approach to life are also less likely to desire life be more than just work? They are most likely to embrace that loyalty to the corporation thing that stopped being effective, oh, 30 years ago?

Employers pick up on the attitudes and interpret it as more serious or more dependable? Those are the people they will reward more generously - they make life easy for managers.

I know they equalized the study to look at people doing same hours, but we probably all know people who give up their nights and weekends for work and not complain (much).

I think people who have less traditional outlooks might also be less likely to work those extra hours - but if they have to, won't feel wrong complaining!

Basically prostitution is this: someone is paying another for the right to shove part of their body into the body of the one collecting the money. Sexual release in exchange for some sort of resource.

This is a hell of a lot different than being paid to sing or act or write computer code.

And no, I do not see sex as a bad thing.