The anger directed against women rings a bell with me to. I would love to know why women's bodies seem to be viewed as some thing to viewed and graded and commented on.

And there is the anger/derision directed against the women who are critiqued - almost like the man is angry at the woman for providing him (in the form of her substandard features) fodder for his less than favourable critique.

Like people who beat someone and then feel anger at the victom for being weak.

Not all men - that is for certain - but as someone else has stated, there are just enough of men like that, that few women have not encountered it.

I think the purpose of it is to divide a women up into parts, which makes her see her self as weaker than when she sees herself as a whole. If I can reduce you to a pile of graded bits, then you have know power over me?

I know women who do not like to leave home without makeup. I know women who spend 40 minutes each morning on their hair. Look at all the expenses related to "looking good for a female", no wonder women as a group are poorer. And don't even go into the whole plastic surgery realm where all our female bits are substandard compared to the girls in the magasines.

The 5 year olds getting mascara are going to be the 20 year olds with the boob jobs and will be the 40 year olds with the designer labias.

Obviously, "anonymous", you are not a female who has been subjected to a car full of males yelling things at you while merely walking down the street.

So, some idiot guy on the street shouts some derogatory thing about some part of my body. In the long term, no, it does not affect me.

The question is, why did that idiot guy feel like he had the right to shout at me? Why did he feel entitled to make judgement? Where does that sense come from?

It is paternalistic.

Maybe no so much at 20, but at 25 women are fully formed adults, capable of weighing pros and cons.

I had a tubal at 24, after MUCH argument with my doctor who insisted I see a shrink who spent the entire visit questioning me what my mother was trying to prove when she went to nursing school when we children were in high school.

At the hospitol, I was in a room with someone younger than me getting an abortion. In fact, the whole ward consisted of young white women getting abortions and young immigrant women giving birth.

But I was the one singled out by every nurse (it seems) to be lectured on how I would regret my decision, and how it was a shame, and did my mom know, and curiously, being told that I will experience very painful periods if I was sterilised without having had children first!

I have never regreted the decision. Did I ever wonder what a child I produced would have looked like? Yes. But that is not regret. I have wonderful children through friends and family that I have been involved with while they matured. Never had a mentrual problem, never had to deal with the expence of birth control and the contant medical monitoring getting a prescription filled requires. I have never worried "am I pregnant" since my early 20's.

For me - and it was a highly thought out individual decision - it was a good move.

Doctors should inquire into the reasons and talk with the patient, but ultimately should respect the decision. After all - if that same patient wants to be on birth control for the next 30 years - the doctor would honour that decision, right?

I have found the men who try and use "game" tactics to "pick up hot women" are more into impress other guys than anything else.

No real payoff picking up Hot Chick and having sex, if no one knows you picked up Hot Chick and had Sex with Hot Chick. You can have very hot sex with Not So Hot Chick (or Dude) if sex was the only payoff.

If life was fair, the guy driving the corvettes would be dating the chicks with fake boobs.

People get annoyed at these techniques because they are at their very core - a demonstration of lack of respect for the person who is targeted.

Then you don't mind when women always expect you to pick up the tab, or otherwise treat you (men) as walking wallets?

If you are meeting women who treat you with disrespect or jsut don't see you - try different type of women. Not all women (or men) are shallow users of the opposite sex.

Perhaps Robert should hook up with Judith (Miller), I am sure they both believe their careers suffered because of what other (liberal) people did to them.

Well - women who get implants do experience more attention from (mainly) males, so that probably does impact positively their self esteem, at least short term. I don't know the long term effects of this change - if women 5 years down the line still feel more confident.

I wonder if they don't feel a downslide as they wonder if men like them for who they are, or for what they had installed.

Three men commit sex acts with one woman and only she is charged with indecent sex acts.

That should be proof enough for the reasonable man (or woman)