Atheism IS a classified as in a religion in philosophy.

I don't think so.

If atheism is a religion then not collecting stamps is a hobby.

You all would find the work of Teilhard de Chardin very interesting indeed and perhaps framework shattering

Teilhard de Chardin was a perpetrator of the Piltdown fraud.

Can you recommend somebody who hasn't been exposed as a con man?

Insults do not constitute an argument.

But they do confirm religious claims of 'morality' to be a fraud.

The religious typically resort to insults instead of valid argument because, after all, they lack any valid argument.

Next.

In a universe full of infinities, we have absolutely no idea about virtually anything.

Other people lack your ignorance, bob.

You were probably unaware of that.

We have hints, of course, and have discovered that time and space are infinite.

Re Stephen Hawking: the facts suggest that the universe is finite but unbounded, and not infinite as you suppose. If the Big Bang theory is correct then time cannot be infinite either, but has a definite beginning. Keep in mind that the job of the purveyors of your bible-school 'education' was to strictly avoid teaching you anything about science.

For me it is not too hard a stretch to imagine a universe full of powerful beings having fundamental interests in life, even our life.

You'd think we'd have seen one of these "powerful beings" if the universe were "full" of them, but we haven't.

We don't believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster, either. You, of course, are free to believe you're the Czar of all the Russias if that's what you want.

By the way. How are you with the Tooth Fairy?

ScottsValleyBob wrote:

"In a universe full of infinities, we have absolutely no idea about virtually anything."

Really? Then care to explain how it is that spacecraft manage to land on Mars or Venus? Or how your computer with its millions of electronic components came to be? Yuh think it just happened by magic?

Ya gotta be careful about challenging the weak-minded with questions like that. Next we'll be seeing bob beseech the Holy Printed Circuit Board to intercede with the Almighty NAND Gate about smiting unbelievers or something.

Try telling him about the Frisbeetarians. You know, the guys who believe that, when you die, your soul flies up and gets stuck on the roof. That might be safe.

I now realize that what I supposed was encased in a form was actually my own infinte self within as the true guide.

Whatever that means. If anything.

I had a Guru. He came to me in my dreams. I awoke in ecstatic trance from his presence. I had hundreds of them, about 100 that were unusually powerful, like Jacob in the Bible. I still have them, even though he died 17 years ago. They were/are prophetic,directive, guided, and creative and amazingly powerful

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Haught has presented his arguments in a concise and logical dialectic

Really? Maybe we're not reading the same article. Care to cite something?

By definition of all the used terms required for such argumentations Dr. Haught is, actually correct on many points.

Really? Maybe we're not reading the same article. Care to cite something?

Waiting!

"Can 'meat' THINK?!"

Apparently not very well, Tenderloin.

One Way the Dark Ages Were Better Than the 21st Century. Most of those dark folks knew darn well that they did not know everything. Versus our smart-ass up-to-date friends, who believe they pretty-much have everything figured out.

Not everything. Just some things. You mus'nt exaggerate that way. It's dishonest.

Let's talk about the Dark Ages. Life expectancy: 40 years. Serfdom and slavery, mostly by the Church. No indoor plumbing. Plagues. Constant wars.

Universal illiteracy, poverty, starvation, superstition, and desperation. Exactly what you need to promote religion.

You'd be right at home.

I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do.

When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.

And the things we keep on learning are absolutely glorious. (I except the disappointing things we are learning about the inexcusable brutality of human nature from our USA political leaders.)

At least we are in agreement on that, and on what constitutes gross violations of morality. Religion or no religion.

I find it unfortunate that at least one pretext for Bushevik brutality appears to be religion. I do have some sympathy towards the religious, even though I do not believe in religion myself, and religion does not need the likes of Bush. I would have less trouble with Christians if they acted more like Jesus, and less like Genghis Khan.

"I can't understand how all this can have happened, it's enough to make one lose one's faith in God!"

[Eva Braun during the last days with Hitler]

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Creationism/Essays/Hitler.shtml

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.."

Hitler, Mein Kampf, Chapter 2

http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm

"Men never commit evil so fully and joyfuly as when they do it for religious convictions"

-- Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)

To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible.

Weak. But if we're going to play the quote game, then by all means, let's play:

"The church says the earth is flat, but I know that it is round, for I have seen the shadow on the moon, and I have more faith in a shadow than in the church."

--Ferdinand Magellan, (1480–1521)

"Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest"

--Denis Diderot