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Monday, August 13, 2007 05:28 PM
Original article: The Islamists are coming

@ William Timberman

Didn't Ann Coulter issue a fatwa against certain New York Times reporters a while back?

More correctly, Ann "Dan" Coulter expressed her preference that Tim McVeigh had targeted the NYT building, rather than the Murrah Federal Building. Coulter doesn't just advocate terrorist attacks on Americans, but gives helpful recommendations on the best targets.

You know how it is: so many victims, so little time. So they have to pick and choose. When it comes to large-scale killings - be it African-Americans, Vietnamese villagers, Guatemalan campesinos, Burmese peasants, Iraqi Muslims, or people who publish the truth about Bush - nobody knows the fine points like a radical right-winger.

You've got to be taught to hate and fear,
You've got to be taught from year to year
It's got to be drummed in your dear little ear.
You have to be carefully taught.

You've got to be taught to be afraid
of people whose eyes are oddly made
and people whose skin is a different shade:
You've got to be carefully taught.

You've got to be taught before it's too late
before you are six, or seven, or eight
To hate all the people your relatives hate,
You've got to be carefully taught.

Monday, August 13, 2007 08:51 PM
Original article: The Islamists are coming

@ El Cid

I presented a summarized speech from a Muslim woman arguing about what is needed to preserve and extend democracy in her society. Which is a Muslim society. Which is currently under attack from many directions, including from Islamic rebels.

And you are to be commended for having done so.

Please, do comment on the advantages of tolerance, compromise, and mutual respect, and even kindness, on achieving a diverse, stable, and constructive society.

I can tell that this is what you'd really like to do.

And I can also tell that extremists on both sides could hate you for it, until you can persuade them to consider the advantages of tolerance, compromise, and mutual respect, and even kindness. Or unless you can persuade them.

But how to do that? This is one of Swift's paradoxes: how to get the Big-Endians to cooperate with the Little-Endians? In this case, you may not be able to, because intolerance is not the root problem here.

US right-wingers don't really have a problem with Muslim extremism because they're more than happy to exploit Muslim extremism when it can help them to exploit a situation. The problem is that our oil somehow ended up under their sand. And US corporatists want that oil, and therefore want control of that part of the world. They said so. It's policy. For some reason people in that part of the world aren't so keen on the idea of being brutalized into submission so they can be robbed. Right-wingers have no idea why.

And so forth. It's like this:

Western Asia wouldn't be a problem if they didn't have all that oil.

Mooslims are evil and need to be exterminated because they won't let US corporatists pillage them freely. Islam has different deficiencies, largely the result of Muslim-style control-freak religious and political wedge issues, as compared to US-type religious and political wedge issues, as you know.

But you're still to be commended.

Thanks.

Monday, August 13, 2007 09:03 PM
Original article: The Islamists are coming

@ Karen M

Markos Moulitsas: "...it makes no sense to talk about left and right."

Translation: "Critism of radical right-wing extremism and corporatism is off-limits. Let's talk about how nasty and backwards Muslims are and why we have to brutalize them into submission."

Fascism has been around for centuries, and has always sought scapegoats, and those scapegoats have often, but not always, been the Jewish people. For even now, American fascism uses the Muslims in the same role as scapegoat historically reserved for the Jews, and once again for the purpose of having a fulcrum to leverage political power.

But neoconservatives have also been scapegoating other groups and individuals: Democrats, gays, blacks, Clinton, the Pope, the Dixie Chicks, etc., anybody who gets in their way.

The purpose of this type of persecution is always to create a fulcrum to leverage the fascist's own power, for hate is a great tool for motivating the people to destructive policies.

Remember this, and keep it with you, always.

Monday, August 13, 2007 09:11 PM
Original article: The Islamists are coming

Karen M

True.

Monday, August 13, 2007 09:24 PM
Original article: The Islamists are coming

@ Golden Boy

I have read the recent Pew Poll results which state that, in addition to the much publicized figure of 25% of Muslims in America being in support of suicide bombing, there is are approximately the same number of Muslims here in the States that cannot or will not condemn al Qaeda (20% refuse to answer while about 6% evince actual support.)

Citation please.

You've distorted some of the poll results and evidently misremembered the rest. The same poll results clearly indicate that American respondents were far more radical than Muslim respondents.

Wanna dance, neocon?

Thursday, August 16, 2007 04:03 PM

@ Anonymous

Credit and debt are good.

Weapons-grade balonium, neocon, and you know it.

Debt is only good if the return earned on the capital is expected to be greater than the cost of the debt. Borrowing money for consumption is just flushing it down the oubliette.

Any person who imagines that they are inherently bad is a 19th Century Marxist long since 'discredited'.

Really?

Marxism isn't a monetary or fiscal theory of economics. You'll have to explain yourself on this one.

Waiting!

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