@Xrandadu: the arm-wrestling movie is called, no kidding, "Over The Top" (which is in fact a reference to a style of attack in competitive arm wrestling, not an analysis of the movie's "arm-wrestling to regain the love and respect of my son" theme).

The James Woods-Dolly Parton abomination was called, again, I swear I'm not making this up for campaign season, "Straight Talk"

It's with a peculiar mix of pride and shame that I say I've seen both of them, and probably more than once.

@ several others...the fight in the first Rocky wasn't a draw, Apollo won by split decision. The fight in Rocky II WOULD have been a draw had neither of them been able to get up after the hokey and implausible double-knockdown (ok, so it strains credulity, but it still gives me goosebumps).

This isn't a shot at War Room, or Alex, but could someone who has reported this make at least a vain effort to tell us when this conversation happened? Or in what context they were discussing it?

Because frankly, if they were talking about this in early January, I might have agreed with someone who said it was unlikely that Obama could win (granted, we didn't know the GOP nominee then, but I actually always thought it would be McCain). But once they saw the momentum he built, saw the kind of campaign he could run (grassroots organizing beyond the expectation of anyone not actually in the campaign, etc), they might have come around to think maybe experience wouldn't be the central issue of the campaign, especially once they saw him beat an "experienced" candidate time after time (it was only after they split Texas and Ohio and we got this lovely seven week navel-gaze that her claims of experience have been questioned). Maybe, after all that, Richardson was able to say "hmm, maybe I was wrong."

Or maybe he was just being polite and trying not to p*ss off his friend Bill by complimenting an opponent.

Even with all that, I still doubt this happened. I was a huge supporter of Bill Clinton, but his relationship with the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth is casual, at best.

I think it'll be the opposite.

FOX: "Tonight...as the scandal-plagued Obama Administration enters it's third month, shocking new revelations about Reverend Wright and Tony Rezko..."

And it'll all be BS, of course, but then again, this network was born during Whitewater and came of age on Monicagate

(eww, sorry, I swear that was unintentional)

Oh my F'ing GOD did the Breeders rock.

Sorry, that's a pre-programmed response. Every time I hear them mentioned, I have to say that. They totally killed. That bass line from Cannonball...man, that was...dude, I can't even talk about it.

(Sorry, I'll stop being 23 again in a minute).

Ha! It took me like 5 minutes to get that. Well done.

Actually, I posted that as a joke, because I didn't see any way that you could take offense to that. There was no "as far as I know," it was in response to a direct question, and it was unequivocal. There was no "unless" or "until."

That Hillary supporters (or GOP trolls, I don't know which) jumped on this as yet another paper-thin perceived slight just shows further evidence that her campaign has become a parody of itself. When you run on the strength of Perpetual Victimhood, eventually you have to manufacture that victimhood.

Maybe you've taken a break from these pages recently (as I wish I could; sadly, I'm addicted), but the generalt demeanor has deteriorated badly. Cythera, KateTex, SobeOne and lolcait have made WES seem reasonable (I actually find him enjoyable and more than a little funny now). The tone is ugly, the attacks are personal, and they've brought out the worst in a lot of people, who eventually and unfortunately respond in kind. They just troll on and on and on, and post specious links and pretzel logic like you wouldn't believe.

I'm sorry, but anybody who thought that clip was him being arrogant or condescending would have thought it so no matter what he said. And the truth of the matter is, in any previous campaign season, a candidate with as little a chance as she has of winning would've dropped out or been forced out after Ohio and Texas.

The fact is, even if Obama did disembowel himself live on TV, they'd complain that he did it at night, when many of her core supporters were at work and couldn't see it.

in 3...2...1...

It's official. You're off your tree.

Good stuff, sir (or madam).

Now please, for the love of God, cut it the hell out.