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Tuesday, January 8, 2008 08:31 AM

I don't think Edwards should have said that...

but this article was a huge, huge overreaction. Now you're dragging his hair into it, just like the Repubs? How completely childish and stupid.

I truly believe that Edwards has twenty times the sympathy for women's issues than Hillary will ever have. The only things HRC has demonstrated commitment to are money and power. And I do think she loves politics for its own sake.

Edwards is the most progressive candidate and I believe he can win. He is popular in the South, where Obama isn't so much. Obama will probably not reform health care, a huge need in this country. Personally, I consider Obama more style than substance. He is too inexperienced, and the old hands in Washington will simply continue to run things their way while he smiles and waves.

Hillary is one of the old hands, so nothing will change under her. And yeah, her emotional response was staged and questioned was predicted. I don't really care a lot what Edwards had to say about about a canned response to a canned question.

To the extent that I get any vibe of sincerity from any of the front runner, I get it from Edwards. I think it's likely that he could be a Jimmy Carter sort of President once actually in office, but I'll take that chance.

Broadsheet is way out of line for shooting him down over this "issue". Just because Clinton is a woman doesn't mean she is FOR women. She isn't; she's for the Washington establishment. Get a clue before you publish crap like this again, will you?

To say that Clinton deserves the support of all women just because she is one is in itself a sexist statement. Grow the fuck up.

Thursday, January 10, 2008 06:01 AM

How many died?

How many women, babies, or both died in childbirth in the good ole days of home births?

How many die now?

End of "discussion".

I would consider it so effing irresponsible to give birth outside a hospital that I would charge any woman who had a dead/damaged child at home with child endangerment and abuse.

The environment in hospitals is really not so horrific any more and can be made still better. Obstericians are experts at delivering live healthy babies and saving mothers. Some are better than others, but this is their medical speciality. It's all they do, all day long, they have seen most complications and know how to deal with them. You don't have to like them, but they could very well save your life.

Stuff your "religious experiences". You will be finding a lot more solace in religion if you have to hold a dead baby in your hands because you were stupid enough to stay home and some simple thing happened like the cord got wrapped around the baby's neck.

I know only a few women who tried to give birth at home, but all ended up at the hospital in the end (most of them were just too damned overweight to give birth without complications). One went in the ambulance and another very nearly lost the baby, because of mucus not being suctioned out properly. Mucus!

Sorry, the home birth gospel has been preached for a long time, but thankfully, most women really aren't idiots.

Here we all are fighting for better hospital access for pregnant women in the third world who are giving birth--and dying--at home, and some dorks want to say that going to the hospital isn't good enough anymore. Yeah, some people make money off the "birth assembly line". Well, they make money off Grandpa's heart attack too. Are you going to keep him home because you don't like feeding the corporate machine?

Babies deserve better than parents who will knowingly endanger them because they've got some whoo-whoo nature child ideas. And as someone who labored for thirty hours before having a baby suctioned, I know--I KNOW--I would not have lived to give birth to a second one if I had not been in the maternity ward where I belonged. Nor would the baby have survived.

In parts of the world where home birth is the norm, the average lifespan of women is mid to late 30's, and this can largely be accounted for by the large numbers of women who die in childbed--up towards 30% in some cases. And you wanna go back there? Nuts. I have to believe you just don't know what you're talking about.

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