Maybe it will fail this time but it gives us somewhere to go....

Is it me or are these crazy HRC and Obama fans acting just a little to nuts to be liberals? I mean I would expect more along the lines of Joan Walsh from ardent Clinton supporters. These crazy things people are writing about Obama and Clinton. I think a few nuts have ruined our conversation.

Can we just not engage them? I may have stepped over that line myself but can we just try and bring the conversation back?

Obama is certainly weaker after the last three weeks. But it was bound to happen and the HRC fans have pointed out. The media was eventually going to try to knock him down as well.

I think we need to agree on how this is going to end. I think Dean, Edwards, Gore, Pelosi need to decide how this is going to be decided and when.

If she doesn't catch him in the popular vote I don't think I can imagine the party taking it from him. So we need to know by which day that will be clear. Then the super delegates need to commit.

It will be interesting to see the polls in three weeks.

Barack Obama is a vision of future party worth supporting.

HRC is the same party of old.

I don't think the old party can hold the tide back. At this point if they succeed it will only be there undoing.

Barack is willing to step towards honest discussions of our issues. Not to sound bites.

I actually don't care anymore if Hillary manages to win. It is history. The party will implode and the future may still look like Barack's vision.

The party has a choice. HRC will lose against McCain or just barely win and lose all the down ticket races.

Or we can have a different kind of party. That is willing to discuss our ideas with out fear of being put in a box. That isn't scared of not where in a flag pin. That define what true patriotism is.

I don't have a problem with Hillary. It would be amazing to have a women as the leader of the free world. But she didn't see the transition coming. She decided it was a race about experience and fighting the old battles. And who wants that?

The fact that someone has taken the people seriously. That has said lets talk about this stuff. That they are willing to say yes I am an imperfect candidate. It doesn't matter that he wins. We have already one now that the conversation has started.

I say we beat the Republicans with ideas. Not big ideas but ideas that we as people all understand. We all know sexism and racism. We have all had a friend or family member say something out of place. Hell we might have even done so. We all know the injustice in the economy. We all know the sin of having been taken to a senseless way by a PR campaign.

I think Greenwald's column is spot on. But I also think it is worth the risk. I am willing to take 4 years of McCain on the chance that we can get to a politics where people talk about issues and work out differences.

Of course I think it likely that it is Barack's to lose at this point.

Either way I hope who ever loses gets rid of Harry Reid in the Senate good god he is worthless.

Enough of the very questionable and basically horrible chain of thought.

Birth rates drop when women are educated and have choices. The poor women of the world have babies. That is true of the first world too. There are special cases from some religions that don't give women choices but those are not the norm. Even in Catholic countries it is about socio economics and religion is just a small variable.

You don't have to be against growth... it is self limiting. Either a culture figures it out or it dies. We are about to have the opportunity to figure it out....

I mean it is just very amusing....

MS's biggest exchange competitor.... owned by Yahoo....

Not good...

Clinton Fired Mark Penn....

Any recommendations on a better site for liberal news the Salon.

I am so over it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypermiler

As a Obama supporter it is just so sad to watch. The whole thing is just a huge let down.

Not the Wright thing in particular just what this whole thing has become.

I don't get the Wright thing at all. It is just all so insane. I guess there is no hiding from the drama of the clinton's you just get different drama in the states.

3 crazy people want to be president. Maybe it is time to change the job description....

It really makes sense... by under pricing energy for 150 years we are risking out ablity to boot strap our selves into the solar system. Once the cheap energy is gone...

Looks like if the trend continues he may get the same popular vote advantage that HRC had in PA.

and NC is going to go down to the wire... nothing changes

You read enough real facts about Peak oil you know the system is gonna crash in the next 50 years.

There are far more important questions like how we are going to feed most of the people. Airplanes are sort of a thing of the past in 200-300$ a barrel oil. But we are really getting ahead of the curve here.

I still think this is just masive devaluation of the dollar. Isn't gold still tracking oil?

Zyskandar A. Jaimot

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