Barack Obama is a vision of future party worth supporting.

HRC is the same party of old.

I don't think the old party can hold the tide back. At this point if they succeed it will only be there undoing.

Barack is willing to step towards honest discussions of our issues. Not to sound bites.

I actually don't care anymore if Hillary manages to win. It is history. The party will implode and the future may still look like Barack's vision.

The party has a choice. HRC will lose against McCain or just barely win and lose all the down ticket races.

Or we can have a different kind of party. That is willing to discuss our ideas with out fear of being put in a box. That isn't scared of not where in a flag pin. That define what true patriotism is.

I don't have a problem with Hillary. It would be amazing to have a women as the leader of the free world. But she didn't see the transition coming. She decided it was a race about experience and fighting the old battles. And who wants that?

The fact that someone has taken the people seriously. That has said lets talk about this stuff. That they are willing to say yes I am an imperfect candidate. It doesn't matter that he wins. We have already one now that the conversation has started.

I say we beat the Republicans with ideas. Not big ideas but ideas that we as people all understand. We all know sexism and racism. We have all had a friend or family member say something out of place. Hell we might have even done so. We all know the injustice in the economy. We all know the sin of having been taken to a senseless way by a PR campaign.

I think Greenwald's column is spot on. But I also think it is worth the risk. I am willing to take 4 years of McCain on the chance that we can get to a politics where people talk about issues and work out differences.

Of course I think it likely that it is Barack's to lose at this point.

Either way I hope who ever loses gets rid of Harry Reid in the Senate good god he is worthless.

Is it me or are these crazy HRC and Obama fans acting just a little to nuts to be liberals? I mean I would expect more along the lines of Joan Walsh from ardent Clinton supporters. These crazy things people are writing about Obama and Clinton. I think a few nuts have ruined our conversation.

Can we just not engage them? I may have stepped over that line myself but can we just try and bring the conversation back?

Obama is certainly weaker after the last three weeks. But it was bound to happen and the HRC fans have pointed out. The media was eventually going to try to knock him down as well.

I think we need to agree on how this is going to end. I think Dean, Edwards, Gore, Pelosi need to decide how this is going to be decided and when.

If she doesn't catch him in the popular vote I don't think I can imagine the party taking it from him. So we need to know by which day that will be clear. Then the super delegates need to commit.

It will be interesting to see the polls in three weeks.

Maybe it will fail this time but it gives us somewhere to go....

I am beginning to think that Joan and Salon are trying to monetize this race. She takes every opportunity to heat this fight up. There is very little rationality. I am guess it is all about page views.

It is time for the old guard to go. Joan that means you! This crappy style of weak progressiveness has lost over and over again. The Gore/Kerry/HRC BS. The best part about this is that Obama is closer to Bill then Hillary is. Except he appears to have some self control.

Obama fans it is time to go. Salon is over. And a sad thing it is.

One of the most moving speeches in a generation... Is that enough? It doesn't matter if he loses. This level of honesty from a politician is a gift. And hopefully it will have some effect on the future.

He takes risks and is whiling to be honest about real issues. Read his books. This is why he is some unique.

I do think he took what could have been and historical speech and made it a political speech when he inserted the talking points.

He could have said what needed to be said and added the talking points tomorrow.

But I don't think that rest should be discarded because he used a political speech to ask for people votes.

It would have been slightly better if he had left that baggage off and said. "This is why I am running and I am asking for your vote" Which he did but he added a few very subtle... pokes.

My understanding they use more natural gas energy then we get out of the barrel of oil to extract the barrel of oil. So when natural gas prices catch up.....

They have always been. All of our power comes from being the largest oil producer for much of the 20th century. Since the 70's we have been in decline because we had peaked and our oil production decline.