Your are trying to debate with a man who loves government as long as his side is in charge, and can not imagine government ever "really" doing anything as evil as your facts suggest. Hence, he calls the facts "insane". You are dealing with a man who seems to know "insane" from the inside out. :-)

By the way, I once watched video of a skyscraper that burned all night and lit up the sky with the fire. It was an awesome fire, and I use awesome in the original meaning of the word. The thing was still standing when the fire finally went out. Just a steel frame in the sky, but still standing. As I remember, it happened over in Asia.

No steel framed building has ever come down due to a fire; no, not even in NYC. Only people who think a real man lived who could walk on water and raise the dead believes the government on WTC-7 issue. Or, on the anthrax issue either.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/
x3dhvp_madrid-skyscraper-burning-set-to-mu_events

"Madrid skyscraper (Windsor Tower) caught fire in February 2005 but it did not fall though the fire raged for hours.

This is what a building on fire looks like. The difference between the WTC Twin Towers and the Madrid tower is amazing. One is definitely on fire throughout its whole length from top to bottom, the other has small weak oxygen-starved fires on six storeys.

Fire started at the 21st Floor, spreading to all floors above the 2nd Floor. Fire duration: 18 ~ 20 hours"

That's the one I was thinking of. Watch it and then try to believe the bullshit your government passes off as the official version of 9-11. You have to be a Chaney lover to believe the crap they put out, sorta like yellow-cake!, go to war!

Nice try, but Glenn asked me not to engage an idiot like you on that subject as it detracts from the work.

So, I'll just ask what other country of that time period needed a bloody war of brother against brother to end slavery? No historian has ever found one yet, perhaps they are also idiots.

Does the figure 600,000 mean anything to you Lincoln worshipers? Lincoln violated the constitution, just like Bush. I guess you love them both.

PS: Glenn, just this one and I'm done on the fool's Lincoln fantasies.

The Madrid fire can't be compared to WTC fires. The buildings are different structurally and therefore will behave differently under similar circumstances. Further, the circumstances in the Madrid fire were NOT the same. The fire was longer, but there was no impact damage. Finally, in support of what happened at WTC, the metal supports that weren't fire protected at Madrid DID fail and those parts of the building collapsed. For more info, look at

http://www.mace.manchester.ac.uk/project/research/structures/strucfire/CaseStudy/HistoricFires/BuildingFires/default.htm

All the comparison of the two fires shows is the poor design/fire resistance of the WTC. Yeah, our government is full of sh*t, so its certainly not necessary to create nonsensical equivalents.

best,

A

-- arbitraryname

Sorry, but it can be compared. The Madrid fire burned much longer and much hotter.

But, since 9-11 is not really the topic today I'll just ask for your help and then stop on the subject for today. Except for that magic day when three steel framed skyscrapers all came down due to a small fire, has any other steel framed building collapsed due to fire?

Also, why did WTC 7 imploded when WTC 6 and WTC 5 were closer to the Twin Towers and more heavily damaged by falling debris, yet, their structures remain. They were "different" also? How so?

It is like being told you can never step in the same river twice; true that no two events can be identical. This logic seems to only be employed when it helps support a government conspiracy theory. (the official story is a conspiracy theory)

I was a kid when JFK got shot by a magic bullet; but I just never believed in the magic.

It's amazing how the day LWM decides to post again, Abe Lincoln and the Confederacy once again rears its head. And of course Ron Paul has to come up, comparing him to Nancy Pelosi on the ACLU Meter no less. Nancy Pelosi is pure fail and you're pure fail too if you vote for support her and her "Antiwar Enough" friends.

Surely it is nothing more than a coincindence that these things happen...

I wonder how many "last straws" it has left in its never-ending hay bail?

-- Chris Sinnard

It was odd. He started off with a couple of shots across Glenn's bow but jumped on the bus once he saw how many just do not believe the government on this issue. Like a politician he saw a parade going the other way, made a U-turn, and claimed he was leading the parade.

I do not believe the FBI given what I think I know at this time; but I might change my mind if all their cards are laid upon the table and the story makes sense. (not holding my breath, mind you)

I do not believe the official 9-11 story as put out by the Bush administration. It has way too many holes and coincidences to be credible. I hope that someday the real story will come out. (not holding my breath)

I do not believe the Warren Commission on the JFK assassination. The report was preposterous. Someday we may know the real story. (not holding ...)

As a matter of fact, any story that comes out of DC is suspect on the face of it. It will be self-serving at the very least. And with the "secrecy state" we have now, it is almost impossible to ferret out the truth.