That is the kind of satire that I can only aspire towards, Gina Livonia. I love how you begin with a very valid sounding concern about how angry and one-sided some people come across here. But then you twist it and I get your point.

Yea, you can see that most folks are ready to talk intelligently and kindly. However, even the best of us occasionally respond pointedly to what feels like points and then the chain reaction of points....

But that was funny, Gina Livonia!

i know. Let's see how many bad winners we've got on this list...If Joan is right, it will get ugly.

But: I wonder if the vice president conversation can be pre-shaped into something that is less one-dimensional than I'm anticipating. I'm, of course, curious as to how Joan will approach this subject but honestly, I can already anticipate the way she will frame this. She'll probably generate a lot of hits, but my fear is it will be one of those blogs in which we face two or three vague either/or's that all point towards the painful worry that Obama might lose because he is both lacking in certain moral areas and strategic ones.

I people say why they can imagine him legitimately needing to go in either direction (asking Clinton or not). Let's prove to Joan that the folks who come to her porch (Clinton and Obama people) are more than capable of proving to her that her fundamental assumption is just plain wrong. Let's start talking about the VP issue in a way that is clear and direct but starts from the assumption that we really don't know shit.

I'll be back. I can imagine 4 good reasons to find his own VP and 2 good reasons to ask Clinton. NOw let me think about them.

First of all: where do I find the picture of Obama giving Clinton the finger? I haven't seen that yet.

Second: as far as you know has anybody yet broken down into hard numbers how many Obama supporters there are who made deals with the devil. I'm trying to figure out how much healing the party needs based on looking at accurate figures that relate the number of really awful folks who said they like Obama compared to the number of really awful folks who say they like Clinton. I'm hoping that if we can scientifically prove who's worst are worse, we might have a chance against McCain. It's not easy though because if you just go by anecdotal accounts you find so many racist and mean spirited Clinton supporters and you also easily find awful and despicable Obama supporters. I also notice this odd pattern where people who favor Clinton tend to "know" that it is the Obama people who are really awful in a special way, whereas the folks who like Obama are convinced that Clinton has some just downright terrible people saying they support her. It's hard work healing this thing.

I think Joan has made it clear that when it comes to women who say they don't care about roe v wade, she understands. She doesn't agree. But she understands why they are so offended by Obama. I think she has also made it clear that their anger recuses them from any obligations or responsibilities related to mending things.

Joan understands (even if she doesn't agree) why they are hating Obama so much right now and, in her opinio if they don't find satisfaction, we get to pin that on Obama for not doing enough.

But look on the bright side: Joan will support Obama over McCain in spite of everything he has done to Clinton. That says something...

but what?