Ok, I finally watched this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-q4MDQ0cDI

I think it is not real. If you watch carefully I think you can see that most of these democrats are people who Obama is failing to reach out to with enough conviction. Is it really fair to use these Clinton supporters as representative of her average supporter? If so, that would mean that we should take the worst type of Obama supporters and do the same. Ok, fine. Let's do it. This will be boring, but maybe it will help us justify some kind of anger or disappointment in either Obama or Clinton.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-q4MDQ0cDI

Watch that again and then go online and find the worst kinds of comments from Clinton supporters (make sure they are real). Then do the same for Obama. Share them with me at

imeanitcommatotally at yahoo

and I'll see if one of them is worse. Then I'll use that knowledge to see if one of them needs is responsible for not reaching out to those worst people.

Seriously: sure, it would be AWSOME if Obama could learn how to make the average democrat and independent trust him, but- at this point- I think he has done fine. And, YES, I would say the same for Clinton if she was the nominee: Hillary has done a fine job and shouldn't be expected to to change the minds of the democrats and republicans who are convinced she is stupid, weak, evil or .......

I know Joan would be giving Clinton a hard time for not changing enough people's minds in those states she got blown away in, but I happen to think there isn't too much more Hillary could have done. I would have been upset if Obama stayed in as long as her and continued trying to make sure as many people didn't want to vote for her. I know that he would have had the right to keep running, but at one point it becomes a bit gross. It would be wrong if I didn't include Clinton. However, I think they each could have stayed in the race (after being so far behind mathematically) in a very positive and useful manner. Maybe (we have no way of knowing) Obama would have run from behind differently (or stopped at one point).

I know one way Barack could reach out and change a voters mind. Isn't there a clip of Hillary singing the national anthem? Listen to the lady who says she is voting for Hillary because Hillary knows the song better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-q4MDQ0cDI

Hey, I'm not saying there are not news stories in which people, on camera, declared that they wouldn't vote for Hillary because she was a woman. Just like there are democrats who won't vote for Obama because they "know" he is Muslim, there are democrats who won't vote for Clinton because they "know" she is a "whore" and they probably say it comfortably on t.v. news channels as well. Send me the links.

Hey Weeping, how about giving us an unbelievably fair account of what Joan talked about tonight on TV?

Joan, I would be very interested to know what you think about Hillary comparing Obama's unwillingness to seat the delegates in accordance with the popular vote (although he is open to other options)with Robert Mugabe trying to suppress the vote in Zimbabwe.

Come on, antoinettestephanie. We can't just start making things up now!!! If she actually did say this, don't think Joan would need to just say:

Well, I think Clinton is going too far with some of her comments, but she is right: our country needs to take a more serious look at many issues and I, for one, support Clinton or anybody else who demands we do so.

Wouldn't that kind of comment be the way to go? However, I see no evidence that Clinton is drawing such comparisons, therefore, Joan's response is moot.