they have their own website (which I found via "united for peace and justice) which is linked at my name.

My very small very local peace group just rolled out a big "do something for peace every day" campaign which brought tears to my eyes ... vigils once a week, buy nothing days, all sorts of things "to do" ....

It seems so sad in the face of everybody and their brother saying that -- grownup voice -- REALLY not much or nothing "can" happen until after the election, after the inaugeration, after the new administration gets settled and up to speed ... and all that -- if -- we manage to stay out of Iran ...

fwiw, I completely agree we need to make a mighty noise ... I'm even tempted to break things.

url: http://www.oct27.org/sites/oct27.org/files/oct27/October_27.html

My understanding, prior to Glenn's column today, is that this censure wrt Rush Limbaugh and "phony soldiers" is a "done deal" and is going forward regardless ...

There seems to be some assumption that -- of course -- this will pass ... I'm curious as to the source of this confidence???

"need" congress to defend their honor or refuse smears/slurs made against them by largely, preaching to the choir, marginal figures.

There are severe Iraqi war veteran organizations and certainly many many veterans groups of different stripes whose members are quite capable of speaking for themselves ... several of which have representative who appear on my television with some regularity.

I would much rather see a RESPONSE rather than some form of censure. Many of these marginal types will only benefit from the celebrity of being called out and their stature, among their true believers, will only be further exhaulted. Which, I suppose is why they are so often simply ignored.

There are many ways to respond to these attacks without resorting to calling in the "authorities" .... isn't that what "grassroots organizing" is all about?

I couldn't stomach having to live with myself if I did that.

My first elections, I voted Peace and Freedom, Eldridge Cleaver and Angela Davis, irrc. ... In the last 20 years, I've voted Green more often than not. I thought I was "sending a message"... but, yes, you're correct, the democratic party doesn't give much thought to me or the thousands/millions like me. I don't want to Recreate 1969... that didn't work out so well, either.

I believe strongly in my right and your right to vote for whomever you want or to not vote at all, so I am certainly not arguing for you to vote this way or that (unlike too many democrats I've heard from in the last 20 years). I know how many of my "ilk" they have already alienated. But, having said that, without an alternative, I'm not anxious to encourage splintering, more and faster, of the Democratic Party in 2007/2008. The republican candidates, imho, are truly nightmarish. Earlier this year, I resolved to not "decide" for as long as possible. Funny how people's positions "harden" once they've "made up their mind." So, I'm keeping the door ajar.

While I never envisioned a congressional action repudiating MoveOn, part of my initial concern about the ad was that it would result, as it has, in senior democrats publically, embarassingly, stupidly joining the ME-TOO choir. Damn they're dumb. We will have to wait and see how many continue to publically distance themselves from MoveOn and that segment of their "base" ... Actually, this has all evolved pretty much as I expected (except for "congress" stepping in and how long this has remained a topic)... If MoveOn had intended a set-up, and I don't think they did, it's doubtful they could have been more effective. As it is, they are the only folks benefiting as far as I can tell.

I was politically active mostly in high school (class of 69) with The Resistance and SDS.

my boyfriend and I left the country right after high school to avoid the draft (for him) ... and by the time we got back a lot of the peace movement had been gutted by nixon's "peace process."

I sure remember being picked up hitchhiking by recently returned vets -- in their new Mustangs -- they were just driving, driving and driving ... unable to stop ...

they had lots of money and a new car and no place to go.

from AP story in the NYT

"BAGHDAD (AP) -- U.S. and Iraqi forces killed more than 60 insurgent and militia fighters in intense battles over the weekend, with most of the casualties believed to have been al-Qaida fighters, officials said Sunday.

The U.S. Embassy, meanwhile, joined a broad swath of Iraqi politicians -- both Shiite and Sunni -- in criticizing a nonbinding Senate resolution seen here as a recipe for splitting the country along sectarian and ethnic lines.

might be a brilliant "be-in" kinda political action payback ... because, of course, we wouldn't want to be caught disrespecting the wrong people .... or needlessly "respecting" the unworthy .... jmho....

the "Jews/Israel are the new Nazis and the Palestinians are being held in the new concentration camps" meme was (thankfully, imho) replaced fairly quickly (after about a year and some) with the aparteid South Africa comparisons ...

Perhaps the Jewish Groups (tm) had bigger or simply different fish to fry, but -- like I said -- I will be interested in their response ....

Thanks for bringing this "selective enforcement" problem to our attention.

Inquiring minds want to know for sure.

They were remarkably common in the 1950's here in the u.s.a.

My family in the 50's and 60's had a blacklisted friend whose non-governmental private entrepreneur employers were visited by the FBI just to make sure they knew they had hired a communist ... and that that might interfere with their prospects in winning future contracts ... he was a machinist with a union organizing past.