It's so damn depressing. I watch these clowns come on TV and they are basically saying the same thing no matter their party. They hardly ever have anyone on TV who actually represents our point of view. The ones they bring on that supposedly represent us usually don't know what the heck they're talking about and they get buried in the "discussion." It happens every day over and over and over. I'm watching TV because that's where most Americans get their news and I want to see what they are being told. It's not good.

I did read one good piece this morning. Jack Cafferty at CNN has an opinion piece up advocating PROSECUTIONS! They are taking comments on his piece so if you want to support this view head on over there.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/05/19/cafferty.bush.administration/index.html?iref=mpstoryview

(sigh)

"I dont care if the President doesnt tell me everything, I only care that they do their job and do what they believe to be in America's best interest."-- jerseygirl7

I just want to fall down on my knees and weep when someone who obviously has a good heart can believe something that's so horribly wrong. I envy you in a way. I wish I could go back to a time where I trusted so unquestionably. Those days are gone for me and have been since 1967. I only can wish the best for you.

Titonwan, I join you in your sigh. It makes me want to cry too when I see comments like Jerseygirl7's.

Gee, Glenn, I wish someone in the establishment media would plagiarize this column of yours. I'd love to see it all across the MSM.

I still think the only way we can hope to make headway on these Constitutional issues is to join forces with people all along the political spectrum who see these issues like we do. We may disagree with them on other issues but on the issue of civil liberties, etc. we need to team up. As we've seen from the Obama supporters, who willingly support Bush policies if they are done by Obama, this is not a Democrat vs. Republican issue. It's a difference between standing up for the Constitution or supporting political expediency.

Bravissimo

"So this is how liberty dies. With thunderous applause."-- GnomeDigest

That says it all. If I were into tatoos, I'd be firing up the pen. Very cynical- very true.

-- Titonwan

Titonwan, you and I are definitely in sync today. LOL I tip my hat to GnomeDigest for posting the appropriate quote.

What's really strange is that our country is reverting back to the "values" of the country our founding fathers left.

Did you see this Q & A at WaPo yesterday? Read it and weep.

Princeton, N.J.: Perry, I am a 70-year-old retired mathematician and am very interested in the current debate over health care. I have spent some time looking over the literature, and I have become convinced that a single payer government run health care system is not only vastly better than our current system, but also vastly better than all the proposed reforms that retain private insurance. I have been increasingly frustrated that the media in general and the Post in particular have not been getting the basic facts out to the public.

Here are some of the main points: compare overhead rates of private insurance companies with those of single payer systems, compute howmuch is wasted by letting private companies determine who is covered for what and how physicians must document that their treatment meets these rules, how much is wasted in compliance costs by patients fighting with their insurance companies, how much is spent by drug companies on research, profit, and "marketing", how does the U.S. compare in the bottom line public health statistics and cost with those countries with single payer government run systems. Let me end with a bald statement that is typical of what the public needs to know. Because of the incredible waste in private insurance, we could give a Super Medicare, one with no co-pays or deductibles, few limitations and drug, mental and dental coverage, to every single person in the USA, and it would cost no more than we are now spending on health care!

Perry Bacon Jr.: The Post is not covering single-payer (like the rest of the media) because the President of the United States has repeatedly ruled it out as an option. I wrote recently about a meeting he had with some House Democrats who were pushing the issue and he again said no.

Nice to see you post something short. I was beginning to think that we'd have to fine you for littering at the rate you were going. By the way I like your name wbgonne. It reminds me of "be gone."

Welcome to the party. I agree with you that we have to cross party lines in order to change this trend toward imperial power. I know that there were and are conservatives out there demanding accountability for torture (I had a blog post about this). If you have a blog I'd be interested in reading some of the things you write about. My blog is

http://democracity.blogspot.com/

Come by some time and we will talk.

I don't want to see reasonable Republicans join the Democratic Party. I want to see them take control of the Republican Party. Now is a crucial time for Republicans. They are in the process of rebuilding their Party. If they only rebuild with the crazies nothing will be solved.

The remarkable thing is that Republicans could salvage their Party by getting out in front of torture. They could take the high road (the Dems haven't) and they could pressure Obama to have investigations. I'm surprised that they haven't done it yet but then again they don't have any reasonable Republicans in a leadership position.