I just read a Henrik Hertzberg piece in the New Yorker that referenced Obama's vote on FISA. In a 2007 interview by Charles Kaiser, Hertzberg was quoted as saying that he reads Glenn Greenwald a lot so I'd be interested in what Glenn thinks about Hertzberg's defense of Obama in this New Yorker piece and the FISA reference specifically.

"Glenn Greenwald is someone I go to a lot"

http://www.radaronline.com/features/2007/10/hendrik_hertzberg_the_new_yorker_charles_kaiser_1.php

In the Times last week, the Open Society Institute’s Morton H. Halperin, whose devotion to civil liberties is rivalled only by his knowledge of national-security matters, called the bill “our best chance to protect both our national security and our civil liberties.” Other civil libertarians see it as the death knell for the Fourth Amendment. But there can be little doubt that Obama’s vote—which could not have affected the outcome—was influenced by worry about being branded as soft on terrorism.

http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2008/07/21/080721taco_talk_hertzberg/

I read the Charlie Savage piece earlier this morning and was quite disgusted by what Toensing said, as I always am at her remarks. And even though I already knew that what you've written in this piece is true it still angers me to no end when I actually see it in black and white. I'm so sick of these people who think "equal justice under law" doesn't apply to the "ruling class".

Did anyone happen to Tivo the Morning Joe show on MSNBC this morning? Somewhere between 6:30 a.m. and 7:00 a.m. they had a particularly disgusting discussion about torture between Scarborough and Mike Barnicle. They totally downplayed what the Bush adminstration has been doing and pretty much said that history will be a friend to George Bush. Barnicle at one point said that 10 years from now Americans will find out about heroes who killed (assasinated) terrorists before they could kill us. I'd really like to see a transcript. I couldn't believe how bad it was. Right before this discussion blowhard Joe was bullying Mika Brezinski and Christa Freelander about Habeas.

I was joshing back at you. lol

Now it really is way past my bedtime. I have to make sure I'm wide awake when Carl Levin visits Firedoglake for a live chat tomorrow at 11 a.m. to discuss the senate investigation into detainee abuse. Us old people need our zzzzzzzzzzzzz's

http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/07/14/senator-levin-to-do-live-chat-on-ongoing-senate-investigation-into-detainee-abuse-at-11-et-tuesday/

@Fight the trans-partisan power!

Good one!

I liked your other comment too. You're new here aren't you? lol

pmorlan @ 2:00 AM East Coast Time.... (good night)

Try The Porter's Liniment Salve for bumps and abrasions. It's the old time Original Formula.

I don't even think Porter's Linament Salve will help soothe the abrasions I've gotten from the Dems rubbing the FISA vote in our faces by having AT&T as the "official wireless sponsor" at the Convention. About the only thing that will help is another old fashioned remedy called - Getting Even. I highly recommend it - it works wonders.

Pre-empting the strategy

I hope you are right, gtompkins, but I fear that the public will be more concerned with fixing this mess of an economy than they will in holding the Bush criminals accountable. And there will be plenty of politicians on both sides of the aisle and media "stars" that will encourage this one track thinking. In fact they will tell the public that if we focus on bringing these criminals to justice it will interfere with fixing the economy and the public will buy into it.

If we want accountablility we may just have to march on Washington and camp out until it happens or at least have a really good plan that we can put into action as soon as Obama is elected. If we wait, the politico's will get to him and it will never happen and the whistleblowers will find themselves marginalized and accountablity will be kicked down the road.

bystander, thanks for the tip on the new Scott Horton blog entry.

This really adds insult to injury. I can't tell you how really ticked off this made me when I read it. The only good part was that the journalist who wrote this "got it".

Party Time '08 -- A Star-Studded Democratic Convention

*snip*

As the "official wireless provider" of the Democratic National Convention, AT&T will be helping to sponsor a number of parties over the four days,

*snip*

Of course AT&T can now focus on the fun side of the convention, thanks to congressional passage last week of the domestic spying bill. With its key telecom immunity provision -- supported by the flip-flopping presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama -- the company no longer has to worry about all those pesky lawsuits it faced for helping the Bush administration snoop on its unsuspecting customers.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/sleuth/2008/07/_besides_obsessing_over_the.html?hpid=sec-politics