Yes, I rather believe that the intrepreter( who was Turkish) was probably saying it out loud; he just didn't realize that my father (who was smart enough to not tell him what he had just heard) had learned far more than he should have.

BTW, this was in the 50's; just when the Turks were getting American aid to help rebuild their military-my father was there obstensibly to do this, but he was assigned a diplomatic status to make it look good.

My father wasn't a liar, so I do believe his version of the event. I even have pictures of him and his translator, who was named Ahmed.

She must be; as one poster noted, impeachment is the only way legally to get rid of a VP; as also noted in another post, Cheney won't quit, because he loves running the country.

He gets the power, and Bush gets the heat. He stays in the closet and hands out the candy.

It is unfortunate sometimes though that there is no other legal way to get rid of inferior and incompetent people in the White House once they're elected.

Just asking for them to resign is ridiculous.

I read that piece from the prosecutor. I was totally appalled by his blatant propaganda and strident defense of the indefensible.

It reminds one of the Nazis showing off one of the death camps with plays with children, "potemkin villagers" and string quartets; all the while hiding the gas chambers and death pits in the background.

Is that why they have had so many suicides and attempted suicides at Guantanamo? Conditions are so great that the detainees can't stand the thought of being released?

Yeah, when pigs fly. The Times should be utterly ashamed of running the piece.

Today in the NY Times there are 6 letters, 4 of which are from detainee lawyers who have personally traveled to Guantanamo recently.

All of the letters absolutely demolish the prosecutor's claim of a clean, happy prison. One letter states that his client attempted suicide because death would be preferable to being held at the prison.

None of them have any good words to say about the editorial, and all of them rebut soundly the arguments that the prosecutor states.

If we take these letters at face value, the NY Times has just been held starkly and harshly accountable for it's extremely biased op-ed piece.

All I can say is "thank god for the Internet", because they would never have been published so quickly had it not been for the e-mail option for publication, if ever.

We would not have been so quickly validated on our own opinions.

Sometimes the freedom of the press is just too much for a propaganda machine.

First-shooter, you are nothing more than a repuglican troll. Shut up after you remove your feet from your mouth.

You are representative of the problems this country is facing, and one of the main reasons we even have debates about torture and Guantanamo; if it were not for people like you having voted so overwhelmingly twice to put the two goons we now have in office it would be a far different and better country.

Then, to put it politely, I was referring to the piece as an "op-ed" because it was a published opinion piece run in the editorial section of the NY Times. The format might be young, but the idea of an editorial from an independent voice is not.

Lastly-does this forum always have to degenerate into a name-calling, slanderous, malodorous spitting contest?( yes, I know, but I can be a hypocrite with the best of them!)

The only comic relief I ever get is from be-bop-o, who has the decency and intelligence to not cover himself with the slime that everyone else is throwing. ( I don't even know if be-bop-o is male or female, but whatever!)

I was making a statement, and got called onto the carpet for how I characterized a letter. Too damned bad some people have no better things to do with their time than to criticize other people's way of writing.

I wonder if GG ever really reads this forum, and if he gets as tired as I do of this shit. Wouldn't surprise me at all.

They issued subpoenas to the White House. We all know how far those will go.

Get real. Nothing is going to change before 11/08 of real substance. We'll still be hearing how the VP is stalling, the president is dithering, and Gonzales is wandering.

In short, we will never know the truth until 50 years from now (I do believe that's how long official secrets are kept in the Archives.) when all of us are long dead and buried. Maybe an archeologist will have fun trying to figure out what happened.

Nice try, though.