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Thursday, October 20, 2005 12:27 PM
Original article: A War Room caption contest

Bush to Bono

"Lemme jes look under these cushions here... No, I still haven't found what I'm lookin for."

Monday, October 24, 2005 01:07 PM

"Bush has equivocated on whether he'd fire anyone who is indicted in the case..."

My guess for the first person Bush is planning to fire: Patrick Fitzgerald.

Thursday, February 23, 2006 03:04 PM

Of course they weren't drinking "in the field"

...They were drinking in the SUVs.

Wednesday, August 30, 2006 12:53 PM
Original article: The road to 9/11 and beyond

Alleged, please

Why does everyone from The New York Times to Salon keep referring to "The airline terror plot foiled in London," to quote the opening of this article?

In this case, as in all others where there's been no trial and conviction, it's only right to put the word "alleged" first.

I'm not saying that the plot isn't real, but after the apparently exaggerated stories about Jose Padilla, those guys in Florida who were supposedly going to take down the Sears Tower, and the others who were said to be planning to knock down the Brooklyn Bridge with blowtorches, surely some caution is called for.

The Bushies are always eager to take us into that Lewis Carroll world of "verdict first, trial afterwards." But we don't have to follow them there. To Salon's editors, and ALL editors, please: alleged.

Sunday, February 18, 2007 11:04 AM

V for Victory

Glenn,

I haven't read the other comments -- I'm guessing that many others have said this, but nevertheless:

Not to give any credit to Hugh Hewitt and his idiot associates, but the "V" image that they use is clearly based on the WWII version, including the retro look of the design.

Compare some of the graphics at https://secure.mm-interactive.com/ecommerce/images/174/products/32260.jpg for instance, and at innumerable other places on the web.

I love your work... But to rant about something like this, without googling first, is to lay yourself open to attacks from the noise machine.

Sunday, February 18, 2007 03:10 PM

Woid responding to Glenn's response to Woid

Actually, my name's Glenn too, so I could have said "Glenn responding to Glenn's response to Glenn," but that's a little too recursive.

I'm a bit surprised that you (and this post's commenters) aren't more familiar with the World War II "V for Victory" meme. I was born somewhat later, but here's what I know.

I don't know the origin of "V for Victory" in that war -- or whether it's even older -- but it was ubiquitous. The two-finger "V" sign was a trademark of Churchill's, and became common among the public, decades before it became the "peace" sign of the sixties. (THAT, I remember.)

By amazing coincidence, it happens that the morse code symbol for the letter V, ...- (dot-dot-dot-dash), is also easy shorthand for the opening four note theme of Beethoven's Fifth Symphony, the famous dah-dah-dah-dummmm that everybody knows. Symphony 5 = Symphony V. So as a result, the Beethoven theme also became a symbol for "V" and for Victory, heard often in that association in many movies.

As for the visuals you asked for... I found a bunch of them doing a Google image search. But the best place to look is here:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/1575100894/ref=sib_dp_pt/105-2833579-2458868

That's the Amazon "Search inside" page for the book of "V for Victory" collectibles that I linked to in my first comment. Click on the "Surprise me" link a couple of times, and you'll be taken to random pages in that book with images that closely resemble the logo of that new right-wing web site.

Again, none of this is in defense of Hewitt and his fellow fascisti. They are, as you so eloquently describe day after day, despicable. It's also entirely possible that the resemblence to the WWII image is a coincidence, unknown to the people running the site, and to whichever graphic artist made their logo for them. And without a doubt, their politics are way closer to the totalitarians of "V for Vendetta" and "1984" than they are to their beloved Churchill, who must be turning in his grave (as is Lincoln this week).

Keep up the great work!

[flashes "V" sign]

Sunday, February 18, 2007 10:40 PM

Glenn Greenwald...

If you're still following this thread, I'm wondering if you ever followed the link I put up at 6:10 pm, to examples of the WWII "V for Victory" graphics that you requested.

Wish I could just post graphics here, but here's that link again:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/1575100894/ref=sib_dp_pt/105-2833579-2458868

Click "Surprise me" for random pages, many showing images similar to the logo on the hideous Hewitt's blog. There's not a single iconic poster that I know of, but many images (on posters, pins, and so on) that share the same bold sans-serif "V" emblazoned with the word "Victory," often with military images of planes in V-formation, diverging searchlight beams, etc.

This is pretty tangential to the substantive conversation that's been going on here, but I think interesting in itself. We've come a long way from the idealistic emotions of that war, to the cynical manipulation of the "Victory" meme by today's right-wingers.

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