they've...

been to Iraq Glenn. You haven't.

-- tiberius

So has Pat Tillman. Tiberius. Let's ask him.

Rudy Giuliani

Yup, you read it right, and he elaborates. For the logic alone. it's worth a read.

didn't take. It's http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2007/08/truth-is-that-men-are-tired-of-liberty.html

"-- not a theoretical fear but one that is pressing, urgent, at the forefront of their worldview"

GG

I don't believe that, and I hope you don't either. The Muslim Triumph is just a fear based minipulation they use.

You won't find a one of them who has significantly changed anything about their lives in order to lessen the danger.

Not if it would be inconvenient.

The-Muslims-are-coming also serves as a mantra, which they chant in order to reach the nirvana of fear they crave.

They fear the Muslims in the same way the fear Dracula, Frankenstein and Hannibal Lector.

Plus, you can imagine the Muslims killin all your enemies, how fun is that. I gues the Muslims will love them, you know, I bet they would love those guys. Ftom what I've heard they think very much alike.

Western intellectuals and friends can help the Muslim world in its spiritual and cultural maturity by supporting the constructive elements in Islam.

Well, looky here, we got us an authentic Muslim Orientalist. It's a type you don't see too often, I hope.

Anyway, I'm glad you think the West has the "spiritual and cultural maturity" to help you out. That's so nice.

But seriously, if I were you, I'd look elsewhere.

In my view, the Netherlands and other countries need to be more stringent in expecting all immigrants, including Muslims, to assimilate to Enlightenment political values.

Mona

Let me guess. You're a "libertarian", right?

...in time as a pivotal battle against good and evil. I personally feel no greater goal than to fight and die for this great cause. All REAL americans should feel the same.

-- Million-Year Picnic

What's stopping you? 1-800-GO-ARMY I'm sure Salon will be glad to post your comments from Bahgdad.

. "A nation cannot hang together without common civic values, and if a significant contingent of an immigration influx is overtly hostile to said values,"

Mona

Ah, so Libertarians first have us determine what the "common civic values" should be, and of course this would have to be codified by the government for enforcement, and then examine immigrants to see who is "overtly hostile to said values"

I thought I had a correct understanding of Libertarian values.

Personally I think no faith based courts should have the force of law behind them,

I don't think they did. They were voluntary, and limited to certain matters. Could they even fine people, let alone imprison?

Do me a favor, please, and stop invoking me or agreeing with anything I say.

Mona

When the only real difference between you and the trolls is the politesse with which you express yourself, of course he will invoke what he (or she) considers supporting points.

Just saying "I'm a libertarian" doesn't make you one. Looking at what you say, you just pee your pants in a more polite way.

Tabulating and enforcing cultural values, or if you will "civic values", is Libertarian?

And the courage with which you propose to meet the threat is stunning!

I thought Libertarians were Republicans who smoke pot. Now I see that Libertarians are Republicans who go nuts and invoke state action, right down to the cultural values, when they see a Muslim.

That makes things easy- one less ism to keep track of. Just lump 'em in with the Repubs,

And I'm sorry Mona. You are not a bigot, and some of your best friends are Muslim.

Now it's real easy- Libertarianism is the political philosophy which combines the worst aspects of both liberalism and conservatism. Well, you got all the bases covered, anyway.

Mona didn't do her homework, got called on it, was embarrassed, and in the manner of women everywhere, will never let it go.

Shooter242

I bow to your superior knowledge of the fair sex. You are a gentlemen to your fingertips.

We talked softly and got hit with 9/11. So we've had to use the big stick.

Tiberius

You are so right Tiberious. When all the "terrorist chatter" was clattering around, we should have used the big stick- to bar the cockpit doors in airliners. Would have been even better if we used a thick sheet of plywood to reinfoce them.

I would have a harder time getting on the bridge of a Wa. State Ferry than those hijackers did gaining entry to the controls.

Would be nice if they used some bigger sticks building the WTC. They weren't supposed to fall down.

BTW, Tiberious, why aren't you wielding that stick, personal like.

Walking softly, like in Beiruit? But you don't know what happened there, do you.