Many of the most vociferous supporters of the Iraq War are Southerners.

Yeow! That's one little box I didn't wanna open, Pandora! But I'm not a gatekeeper round here, and there it is. "Many of the most vociferous supporters of the Iraq War are Southerners."

Gosh, now that you mention it, the entire War On Iraq does seem to be conducted in a drawl. Or so I've heard.

8:44, sure, but you didn't say which thread! Had me goin there, but with a supreme mental effort, I figgered it out. Thanks for reponding.

I found his delivery and his choice of words, most depressing, alarming, and really unfortunate. While I haven't the theological know-how to make any kind of a judgement, they seemed almost blasphemous.

But, I do not think I have ever listened to a Military Chaplain employed in that capacity before, that of making a radio vignette to commemorate the 4,000th death, and the forms and syntax may be something different than what I'm used to. And he may be more accustomed to speaking to a different audience.

. I haven't found a group small enough yet I guess...

Buckyl, I have no doubt you will always be able to compose a majority of one.

It all starts with the desire to know the truth, rather than just memorizing the conventional wisdom of your peers

Peers, buckyl, are often just "taking the piss" as our stalwart British allies say. You're so wise to have nothing to do with "conventional wisdom".

"Unconventional stupidity" wouldn't work either, it takes a certain amount of self-awareness and observation to be unconventional.

We illegally invaded Iraq, we are now illegally occupying Iraq and we need to figure out how best to get out and make amends to the people of Iraq.

Joel, do you realise what you are asking for? If we do as you say, we will be placing an awful lot of people in some unbearably invidious positions. Some really ticklish spots, given what happened at Nuremberg? (Sp?)

And then amends, Joel? In order to make amends, we would have to first, find out what happened (You are certainly not in favor of blanket entitlements, are you? It smacks of socialism)

That could also leave a lot of good, hardworking, honorable people in some rather uncomfortable situations, where they wouldn't show to good advantage.

Combined with some actual economic and social malaise which may occur spontaneously in the US, but could be blamed on the War by leftist media types, we could be exposing some very serious people to a notoriety so vehement, they might become agoraphobic. Or claustrophobic, if they can't overlook the bars.

Is that what you want, Joel? I sure as hell do, but that's just me.

Where are all the outrages about our own governments news control?

-- Goodpeople

Man, you is right here, at the throbbing heart of it! Walk right in, sit right down, baby, let your spine roll out.

We got outrages a-plenty! And Beef, if you're asking wheres that, to.

See, that's sort of a problem, Susan. As soon as we grant the Iraqis even the most rudimentary standing as human beings, many of the things that happened to them as a result of the US invasion become very problematic. The obligations of an occupier are confusing, but many, many, many of the incidents which characterise our occupation would rise to the level of assaults, or murder. This would be disasterous to the self-image of the people involved. It would also make us question whether these people will always confine their agression to mandated targets, or, my particular fear, their willingness to act on mandated targets extends to assualting or murdering (in the line of duty, of course,) their fellow citizens.

I think I read that it was probable that the events which motivated the pilot of at least one of the planes, was the bombing of Beiruit. And that there would be estranged, and revenge-bent educated youths produced as a result of it can't be doubted.

Just to illustrate that interventions would could very probably produce legions of those estranged from any hope of a peaceful existence and very willing to blame the US. That's supposed to make a guy go terrorist, they say.

If you need to have it explained, why a ruthless dictator is worse than a civil war, I can't help you. As has been pointed out many times.... "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

Oh jesus, my sides are splitting! The avuncular, paternal tone he takes on, like he's explaining things to a kid! "You see Misser (that's his kid's name) a wise old man once told me" Those who would give up...""

Oh, how I wish I had had a Dad like you Shooter, to explain this confusing and multifarious world to me! How well will your issue be equipped for those ethical stumbling-blocks which lie in wait for us all. How frickin' well.