That was ridiculous, Ondelette.

Completely ridiculous. I cannot believe you're not embarrassed by proposing a solution you have no intention of participating in.

I am perfectly willing to do everything a policy of peace requires, and bear all of it's risks. You are proposing a policy in which you are neither capable, nor willing to participate. That's completely ridiculous.

Anotherwords, you want, first, an impossibility, that a war bring good, and second, you want some other unspecified people to go fight and die in that war?

You should be ashamed to put something like that on paper.

I say peace in Afghanistan entails much less risk than war. If you say war is the answer, than you must be willing, and capable of fighting the war. I'll be looking forward to your blog from Kandahar, or whatever the hellistan.

"We, as Americans, are already saddled with the consequences of our own dumb and hubristic ideas, and can no longer afford to pay for others"

You got an answer to that? Or is the answer that us Jews are so rich, so influential, and so much in control of the American government that we don't need to give a shit what ordinary Americans think (I just mean that in demographic terms, Cocktailhag, personally, I think you are fabulous.)

So please, Winsmith, tell us what is in it for us to expend our blood and treasure on Israel?

Joe, you don't know too much about Israel, do you?

Joe, it's already befalling them. They are so desperate, they patrol the streets to keep Jewish girls from going out with "Arabs". They can't get people, the kind they want, to move there, and you figure the "settlements" are just gonna turn into nice suburban Israeli towns some day?

Yeah, Israel is in great shape, doesn't need nothing except help protecting itself from the "Arabs", sure Joe.

Yeah, that was a bit twisted, syntax and grammar wise, but I hope the humanity came through.

Anyway, what it comes down to that even those who I would think from my experience would be die-hard defenders of Zionism are turning against it in some very strong ways.

I just have the awful feeling that when there is a change in America's attitude and policy towrds Israel and Palestine, this change will be part of a process which will rival the decision to got to war in Afghanistan and Iraq in clarity, honesty, and integrity.

I mean, we are talking right-wingers, who given a choice between blaming Muslims or Israel (actually Jews generally) choose the Jews! This is a shocking developement, and one that Winsmith and the others might take into account, if they weren't too busy mainlining Ziocaine.

But as we know, Americans always make foreign policy decisions which mean life or death for many people with the gravity and integrity that such decisions deserve. It'll be a fuckin mess.

See, that's the problem Joey, old horse. When you have the slightest bit of humanity, instead of a stream of chicken-hawk shit, in your comments, people can put up with errors in syntax and grammar.

But I understand you are just doing your bit to prevent over-population. I'm sure your personality is the most effective contraceptive known to man.

I might mention something I heard this morning over at Mondowiess where several people are struggling to somehow fit racism and anti-Semitism into anti-Zionism.

So one of them said he had a nephew who lost his legs and an arm in Iraq. I asked him who (or what) was responsible for that and his answer was pretty chilling: "institutionalised hasbara"!

I'm tewlling you, it doesn't look good for the Zionists, these days.

"US involvement in the Middle East was incremental following WWII as British influence receded due to a changing geopolitical landscape"

Exactly. Everything I have been able to learn leads me to conclude that the Zionists never anticipated being left alone with the independent Arabs, with all Western colonial powers gone from the area. (They really should have thought twice before they bombed the King David Hotel) And Israel has been looking for that kind of help and protection ever since. What we call a shabbes Goy Even thought for a time that Russia would be it! Made eyes at France, too, but everybody is gone.

Israel cannot exist, except within the context of a colonial overseer which would relieve Israel of having to defend the situation it has made for itself.

No Zionist can come up with a plan whereby Israel, as presently run and constituted can exist without massive infusions of foreign cash, arms, and universal military service along with a veritable military controlled country.

And all the ziocaine sniffers offer all their solutions within that context. None of them will even admit of a solution which would leave the Israelis to get along on their own resources.

That's a recipe for a fast colonial failure.

Anotherwords, you are not willing to admit there is anything basically wrong with Israeli society which would make it very hard for it to exist as anything but an armed, apartheid state?

And you expect Israeli growing up now to just accept this.

Oh, damn me! Here I am talking to a known ziocaine addict as if he was a thinking feeling person. I must be nuts. Sorry, won't happen again.

Damn those people who are obsessed with our founding documents, the only pieces of paper between us and tyranny.

I mean, what the hell is up with that? Why can't we just forget about that awful, complicated Constitution and just all get along?

"Obsessed with Consitutional issues" like whether our kids (or us, for that matter) are drafted and sent to a foreign wars? And that was only a few years ago. But nobody should get obsessed over that, I mean, what else do we raise our kids for?