I said this earlier but it got buried and I wonder what others think: in the discussion about race and non-white cultures--I'm not sure about Latino culture but I lived in Asia for two years and I think that Clinton's age (and yes, experience) helps Clinton with Asian voters--at least those with some traditional values. Particularly (just like with all races) older voters.

Why is no one mentioning this? There is also possibly the fact that in white American culture--especially the mainstream media, Clinton's age is used against her (I don't just mean her literal age which is obviously not that high--but the fact that she is somewhat older than Obama and much older in the media spotlight--kind of like Britney Spears is "old" by media spotlight standards). If this is the case, I hope that this is mentioned and the Democratic Party doesn't get divided by false accusations of "racism" where there is really only cultural values that differ from mainstream American values in ways that might benefit Clinton with part of the population--while possibly hurting her with the young, hip crowd across the board.

your post made me laugh. Philandro.

You make a valid point. Not that I'm never shrill or strident...ahem...but about the Obama supporters who are more anti-Clinton (or possibly anti-woman) than pro-Obama.

I believe the phrase is "politics makes strange bedfellows." I have to admit that I had a moment of (quiet) rage when I found out that my boyfriend had voted for McCain in the primary--he's an independent and says he will vote for a Democrat in the main race but he didn't want to choose between Clinton and Obama and he didn't want Romney to win. I was upset because this is California and I knew the contest was going to be tight here--but then I thought, deep breath. People do the best they can when they vote.

I "love" Obama probably mostly because I "love" his book Dreams from my father, like Gary Kamilaya it made me believe he's a good, deep, compassionate person. My further research on him confirms this--although some of his corporate ties do concern me. Do I agree with all of his supporters, no. But I don't agree with all of Clintons' supporters tenor either. It's also tricky in this race because if you "go negative" you risk being accused of attacking a woman, and if you sing Obama cheerleading songs, you are accused of being a cultist groupie.

I don't watch television news or I do get upset. I think that t.v. news pundits bother me more than the Obama supporters on these boards. The paid pundits should really know better. Joan's right, they're probably having the opposite effect from the one that they want.

I read some of your posts earlier today (I have a boring terrible job at the moment--and a bad political addiction) and I thought you might like this article from the Atlantic Monthly if you haven't already read it exploring the personal relationship between Obama and Clinton in the senate. It seems like these personal relationships "matter" to you. They do to me too. Anyway, I found it interesting:

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200712/clinton-obama

Cheers. I think I should sleep now instead of "politickin'"

that dataguyx's post is a little obnoxious, but are you sure dataguyx's is a guy? Funny, the "hon" phrase usually reminds me of a woman, so that's how I originally read it. Funny the assumptions we bring to the way we read.

"Can you provide references for a single situation, where Obama took a stand on a controversial issue and worked to get a common sense resolution?"

Are you telling me that you have been reading about the issues enough to understand the Exelon situation (by the way the bill requiring mandated leak reportage is still in the senate and being blocked right now but the bill is still not finished and still requires) but you haven't even one read about ethics reform?

There's coalition building around a common sense resolution. And Obama was part of that. So actually was John McCain. Hillary Clinton famously told Feingold he wasn't living in the real world over this issue.

So there you have the single situation you asked for. I could give you more, but you only asked for one, and I have the feeling that you aren't listening to anyone on the other side anyway, no offense.