While everyone, including Ron Mac, are making clear-headed and cogent points, I think we're missing a rather fundamental point concerning both McArtle and Drezner's claims:

They're supporting, without question or complaint, the Bush Administration's policies and practices. Whether they like it or not, that includes a doctrine of officially-sanctioned and authorized torture of other human beings, as well as the curtailment of our legal rights and Constituttional guarantees by Presidential fiat.

Discussion of whether or not the 'average American' is interested or understands this, at least insofar as the American media determines, simply is not relevant.

That the American media, McArdle and Drezner included, make the apparently conscious choice to focus on what objectively are trivialities in lieu of attending to these matters was Glenn's original point.

The media's silence can be read as complicity, but the public support and encouragement these two and others have expressed for the current Administration's racing into the proverbial moral/legal/ethical cesspool stains them no less than, say, the attendees of the 1942 Wannesse Conference or the Jacobians who took over the Committee for Public Safety in Paris in mid-1789 for the death and chaos that came afterwards.

They cannot claim they agree with just select aspects the Administration's policies in one breath, and issues broad claims of agreement (sans any caveat) with the same in the next. That isn't being inconsistent or nuanced; its being a full-throated hypocrit.

Simple enough to understand, yes?

Put another way: how many Bush appointees will have to be dismissed (preferably without pension or benefits) and replaced with people with actual college degrees to get the government back to operating to the same level as the Article of Confederation?

Anyone care to draw up a list of names and positions?

That's lovely and all but irrelevant. It's what happens when the call hits the US that matters, and is an entirely different kettle of fish.

Only if you exchange Acanthodoras Cataphractus for Ancistrus Cirrhosus.

Its already been explained to you there was no impediment to the NSA tracing and monitoring this metaphysical "call", nor any undue burden upon them to acquire a legal warrant if it were necessary.

Do us all a favor and quit trying to act intelligent. You aren't equipt, and you've exhausted the comedic value of these little shows.

We have page after page of actual, and disguised visceral hatred of the president. Never mind John Yoo Some of you are actually jealous of the guy, born to some wealth, a Yalie, legacy or not, Harvard B school AND, he did not turn out to be an East Coast liberal like Teddy, and John Heintz Kerry and the over educated ( university of Louisville Law) Chris Dodd. He beat that fat Tennessee boy who believes that global warming is our greatest problem. Thse birds consider the man a traitor to their class and they have enveloped all of these liberal posters to belive this stuff.

I really can't make sense of this spew but it sounds like he's trying to make a valid point.

Can someone translate it into English? Or Uzbek for that matter?

I think this may be the worst piece of garbage ever posted at UT; and that is saying a lot. -- bucky1

Actually the unlamented Bart DePalma insisting Bush and the GOP have always been supported by the majority of Americans was worse, if only for the sheer intellectual dishonesty involved.

Hunthorse is just plainly delusional. Not to mention badly uneducated if their sentence structure and spelling errors are any indication.

One of them thinks God gave him a mission to save the world. Instead he lead us to the Apocalypse. -- oratorio

Properly speaking, he's lead us into "Armegeddon".

An 'apocalypse' is usually the revelation of some hidden truth to a select prophet or the like, leading to a profound change in consciousness once the message gets out.

Its been obvious to everyone for some time the GOP has no soul and no morals; hardly a revelation there.

Besides, even if President Bush received such a revelation from the Metatron itself, he'd likely invoke "State Secrets" on it and we'd have to wait for some whistleblower to let us know about it.

One only needs to look at the people reviewing the book to see it's limited appeal.

Please don't think you are in any way representative of the American public, shooter. Nor that you have insight to offer anyone on anything.

Are there any REAL reviews yet? You know, from real book reviewers, not axe-grinding activist hacks who already agree with you about everything? -- Proximity Warning

You're more likely to see a review of it penned by Count Orlock (a creation of F. W. Murnau) than you are some reviewer who doesn't have an 'ax to grind' about something.

But then you've already admitted you cling to myth over reality, so no surprises there.

I'm sorry, but anyone who can't see how mind-bogglingly insulting it is to say of large numbers of Americans that they are using as crutches their religion and/or their traditional hunting and conservation culture

How about you prove how Senator Obama's observation was wrong in the first place?

All your would-be flip responses cannot disguise the fact that Glenn's book has thus far barely registered 'off the [fringe left]reservation', and where it does, it is written-off as an intemperate hatchet job.

It has? It is? A remarkable thing, given it won't be released for another (checks watch) three hours or so.

Given your (presumably) cogent and objective observations of it, perhaps you'd favor us with your own review?

Perhaps you would like to show us all, chapter and verse, how its "an intemperate hatchet job"?

Perhaps you should just shut up and try reading something instead of condemning it out of hand?

What am I saying? Of course you won't do any of the above. You've neither the stones, piles, or brain enough to.