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Tuesday, May 19, 2009 05:07 PM

Delusion and demise

In the end, Hitler became delusional while trapped in his bunker, thinking mystical armies were on their way to help him. When it became clear that there was no escape and no way to emerge victorious, he committed suicide.

Tuesday, May 19, 2009 04:22 PM

Cheers

It's like saying that Kirsty Ally's days of weight problems and overeating are over. It's being delusional to the point of being grotesque.

Tuesday, May 19, 2009 07:55 AM

What's actually going on?

I truly believe that Obama would like to terminate all torture activities, rendition, black sites and possibly move on from the phony "war on terror" to fighting terror, which is much less of a problem than it's been hyped up to be, through good cooperative police work. I just don't think that he feels he's capable of taking on the CIA, the neocon influenced elements in the military high command or the military-industrial complex. JFK tried to take similar elements on and probably payed for it with his life. So what we get is a GWBush Lite when it comes to Iraq and torture, and a hawk on Pakistan and Afghanistan, since he doesn't want to be accused as being the one who lost these two countries to the Jihadists, although the US military involvement there will almost certainly cause just that.

Monday, May 18, 2009 01:03 PM

In a nutshell

Torture, beside being an extremely serious crime, is useless vis-a-vis extracting information. It's purely an instrument of terror. The reason detainees were tortured was to get at least one of them to "admit" that Saddam Hussein was allied with Al Qaeda. The gang of 13 was engaged in a serious criminal activity in order to justify another crime, the illegal invasion of Iraq. This is all there is to it. These people don't deserve prison, they deserve the gas chamber.

Monday, May 18, 2009 09:45 AM

The 2002 state of mind

When Pelosi was briefed as a minority member of the House intelligence committee on "enhanced interrogation", and we aren't even sure what exactly she was told then, even the mildest criticism of the Bush administration was met with hysterical accusation of unpatriotism, being soft on terror, and being anti-American. Right wingers, from the neocons to Limbaugh and the entire cast of characters on Fox were calling anyone who questioned anything the Bush/Cheney junta was doing a traitor and an Al Qaeda sympathizer. As much as it's regrettable that Pelosi, assuming she had the information, didn't speak out, not that it would've made any difference, it would've been incredibly difficult to do then, remembering the chauvinistic fuck the world, "you are with us or against us" atmosphere. Many politicians and regular citizens who were deeply disturbed by the Bush/Cheney policies were afraid to speak up. No one likes to be labeled a traitor and OBL sympathizer.

Monday, May 18, 2009 07:34 AM

@zoltan newberry

There weren't additional 9/11 style attacks because after outsourcing the first attack to AQ, Reichsführer Richard Cheney decided they were not needed.

Sunday, May 17, 2009 12:43 PM

What did Churchill do?

While London was being incinerated by German bombing, the British had a number of Nazi agents in captivity, yet Churchill prohibited his intelligent services from using torture in their interrogation.As Winston Churcill insisted throughout the war, treating POWs well is wise, if only to increase the chances that your own men will be well treated if they too are captured. Even in World War II, there was in fact a high degree of reciprocity. The British treated German POWs well and were well treated by the Germans in return; the Germans treated Russian POWs abysmally and got their bloody deserts when the tables were turned.

Few, if any, American soldiers currently find themselves in enemy hands. But in the long war on which Bush has embarked, that may not always be the case. The bottom line about mistreating captive foes is simple: It is that what goes around comes around. And you don’t have to be a closet liberal to understand that.

Bush and many of his supporters are fond of invoking Churchill — hardly a closet liberal — when justifying the war on terror and even the invasion of Iraq as the opposite of appeasement. The difference is that Churchill really was a student of history and had participated personally in war, which many of the neocons — who in addition to the knee-jerk macho types are the main proponents of using torture as official policy — have not. Not that participation in war is necessary to understand logic and the importance of decency in a putatively civilized society.

Sunday, May 17, 2009 08:40 AM

Public opinion would change rapidly

if the media would actually report what actually happened. For example:As the Obama administration continues to fight the release of some 2,000 photos that graphically document U.S. military abuse of prisoners in Iraq and Afghanistan, an ongoing Spanish investigation is adding harrowing details to the ever-emerging portrait of the torture inside and outside Guantánamo. Among them: "blows to [the] testicles;" "detention underground in total darkness for three weeks with deprivation of food and sleep;" being "inoculated ... through injection with 'a disease for dog cysts;'" the smearing of feces on prisoners; and waterboarding. The torture, according to the Spanish investigation, all occurred "under the authority of American military personnel" and was sometimes conducted in the presence of medical professionals.

More significantly, however, the investigation could for the first time place an intense focus on a notorious, but seldom discussed, thug squad deployed by the U.S. military to retaliate with excessive violence to the slightest resistance by prisoners at Guantánamo.

The force is officially known as the the Immediate Reaction Force or Emergency Reaction Force, but inside the walls of Guantánamo, it is known to the prisoners as the Extreme Repression Force. Despite President Barack Obama's publicized pledge to close the prison camp and end torture - and analysis from human rights lawyers who call these forces' actions illegal - IRFs remain very much active at Guantánamo. The "Black Shirts" of Guantánamo routinely terrorize prisoners, breaking bones, gouging eyes, squeezing testicles, and "dousing" them with chemicals.

Now, if the corporate media dared report this, would anyone still claim that "nobody is imnterested".

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