Never mind the Katyusha rockets overhead, down here it's just plain hot. The humid air reeks with the smell of too many people, crammed into the 150-square-foot cellar right on the beachfront of the northern Israel

Substitute 100 times as many Israeli Bombs, Shells & Rockets and you have daily life for the Palestinians for the past decade. Only that's their homes, not a bomb shelter (they don't have any).

But who cares - they're only Arabs.

Thoughful and cuts to the core of the issue.

Thanks

What about all the white boys ? or even black boys ? or other ethnicities/social classes of boys ? because they suffer violence and and murders at a much higher rate than women but receive much less media attention for it.

Because if you're going to assign media hierarchies of attention for worthy victim hood then boys are at the bottom of the pile.

But you won't see that discussion in Salon, because males are not worthy of their own section. Odd how Salon reflects that hierarchy I just mentioned. Right down to Broadsheet being the domain of middle class white American women as well.

Oliver Stone tackles the most harrowing shared experience of our lives

Unless you're Iraqi, or just about any other ME citizen, or lived through Hiroshima/Nagasaki, or Rawandan, or Bosnian or just about anybody else except a f**king USAian

"the most harrowing shared experience of our lives"

Thats the line I was objecting to (and all the other times its shoved down our throats one way or another).

It was not the most harrowing shared experience of our times, not even close, not even in US history, let alone world history.

And Salon has an international readership - its not just the USA.

Much food for thought, had never considered the rewards of being a pretty women as addictive and negative - very interesting.

Just why is this news for women - is not a *human* experience as harrowing as this of interest to everybody? Where all the similar experiences for kidnapped men publish in boys own ?

They made it about her talent and skills.

And now Broadsheet has made it about her being a women.

Last sentence is meant to be "Were all the similar experiences for kidnapped men published in boys own ?"

Thank you, and good point re the pressure coming from within as well as from society.

And LW - yes, you're not gay, e quinton is just a dick.

We should do this more often :)

To the LW - that he mocks your fantasies is not a good sign, as Cary said, if he doesn't loosen up then you have some hard thinking to do. Don't leave it for to long.

Agree with brendan, except I fail to see why he's a monster - he does a damn good job of looking after his people.

Anyhow, I still maintain that Salon did not engage in censorship by removing the article. If they were censoring Nathan's opinion, they wouldn't have published a link to the article in the letter's section

They haven't posted a link, another letter writer did.

Excellent summary of Steve Irwins appeal and the good work he did. A classic example of a pragmatist doing a world of good for the creatures he loved. Interesting comparison with the "Grizzly Man", hadn't considered that.

In contrast, Germaine Greer appears as the stereotypical "elite" feminist, given her association with the movement I'd say she's done a shit load of damage to the publics perception of feminism. Her appearance on Australian TV was nauseating beyond belief.

The LW *told* him to slap a womens ass? there's something weird going on here. Does she get off on creating violent situations ?

Meh - I'm a Kiwi living in Australia and it didn't bug me. NZ & Au are "close" in that its only a 3 hr plane flight from Sydney to Auckland, as opposed the the 9-10 hours flying across Australia or 13 hrs plus to the US or 30 hrs to Europe etc ...

Like most others, US & non US I'm pretty 9/11'd out and thus avoided reading this article for a while. But it was worth it - a wistful listing of what else has been lost in the US besides those initial lives - opportunities, freedoms, thoughtful discourse, perhaps even, the USA republic.

How civilised of them.

From the title I was ready to say "Hell no!", but the reality is a good deal more nuanced than that :)

A Trust sounds good,and yes, a delight to see a family come together so well. What a change from the usual selfish twits we see.

Remember the no fly zone ? The good old USA. If anything the US protected al-Zarqawi from Saddam

How ironic - the old saw "You become that which you hate" appears to be the new zeitgist in the USA.

Just like with the Duke case BS must pile on with baseless speculation, race/gender cards and hoary old sterotypes, whilst ignoring all evidence to the contrary. Screw innocent until proven guilty.

No seriously, nice to see people fearlessly pushing their own boundaries.

Thriving business in Palestine, providing employment, encouraging secularism and the harmonious mixing Muslim and Christian, excellent.

Therefore it probably won't be long until Israel targets it as a rocket factory and bombs the crap out of it, probably during the companies bring a child to work day.

Who *cares* if she's getting it off with a whole team behind the scenes including Bill. I see it as of no relevance at all, I am so sick of this Madonna/whore thing and its deeply depressing to see how a large section of feminism has aligned with the wacko right on this.

p.s There's never a wrong time to discuss breasts, but that my personal preference.