The cold blooded murder of an elderly man is pretty clear, it is a lot more clear than "should we attack an enemy that we think will attack us before they can hit us?".-- JBinMO

More clear than the tens of thousands of innocent people who have been murdered as a result of exactly that line of speculation?

Not sure how that could be.

It seems to me that if you are going to use your “BIG STICK” to play wack- a- mole with, that you would want to wack the mole that pops up in front of you.

According to Larry Craig, they do, they do. The only problem seems to be the badge that has lately been attached to the other end of said "mole".

If Bush knew shit for history, ALL his policies would be different, economic, diplomatic, defense, civil rights.

The history Bush has been studying must have been from the old Robber Baron era, when policies such as his, really did work.....at least for the people he would have cared about.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/29/174659/091

My Uncomfortable Experience in a Public Mens Room

by kharma

Wed Aug 29, 2007 at 03:05:01 PM PDT

Two weeks ago, the kids and I went on a trip to visit friends in San Antonio, Texas. On the way we stopped at a rest area just off the interstate. What happened next made me very uneasy...

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I was drinking coffee heavily so that I would stay awake and needed to relieve myself pretty badly. I pulled into a rest area, locked the car doors, left the kids sleeping in the car, and went into the restroom. When I entered I noticed it was unoccupied except for a pair of sneakers visible under the second stall.

As I unzipped at one of the urinals and began to relieve my burning bladder I heard a voice say "Hey, what's up?". I looked around and there was no one else in the restroom. After a moments hesitation, I answered "Not much".

A little time went by and he says, "What ya doing?".

I didn't feel very comfortable talking to someone in a stall but I didn't want to be rude and answered, "Uh...we are heading to San Antonio to visit friends."

"Want to come over?", he says.

At this point I am really uncomfortable and I finish up and scoot over to the sink to wash up. "No I don't think so.", I replied. Wow, was this something else. I had never even had someone next to me with a wide stance before and now I've got someone in the stall asking me over!

As I reached for the paper towels to dry my hands I hear, "Hey man, can I call you back? There's some asshole in the bathroom answering every thing I say."

I had a recent talk with an acquaintence who is a patrol officer. My ex-suburb recently began "random" stops for potential violations. Apparently random means not pulling over drivers of Jaguars, Lexuses (Lexi?), Mercedes, Cadillacs, etc. while targeting older, worn, and less valuable cars. "Why?", I asked. "We just don't pull them over."-- Fraud Guy

Even if the expensive car is DWB (driving while black)?

I live a block outside of a wealthy area of my city that is sandwiched between two other, shall we say 'darker', neighborhoods. Most of the stops in this area are DWB, and having a nice car isn't an exemption. In fact, if anything, it seems to be cause for a much greater level of suspicion.

I mean, have any of you boys and girls ever given any thought to the width of your "stance" while taking a dump?

-- Kitt

Width of stance, no. But I do think there might be some merit to considering Larry the Cable Guy's use of handlebars.....

It's "some Democrats"

We need to focus derision on those who actually make those votes and on the leaders who can't convince or cajole them to protect the Constitution.

Harry and Nancy should be leading that charge, publicly shaming their mutinous "troops," or they should be replaced by patriots who will.

Harry and Nancy are part of the problem. They control which votes happen and they have done nothing to stop these measures from even coming up for a vote.

The "leadership" are bigger enablers in this than even the Blue Dogs et al.

For America's Versailles, the U.S. is not so much a home as a host.-- Michael Harold

And the military-industrial-congressional-executive complex is the parasite. This creeping parasite has slowly sucked us dry of our freedoms, finances and apparently, in light of the Dem Congress' recent actions, even our will to fight.

It should be apparent to anyone who has been paying attention that corporate globalization has become a phenomenon that has coopted our government and now threatens the very principles our government was founded to defend.

It will be a long and bloody fight to get ourselves back to the social equilibrium you mention and success may very well be dependent on how deep the tentacles of the MICE complex extend. And, like some underground fungal mycelia, identifying the depth and breadth of its penetration of our culture (best analogy I could come up with on short notice), will be extremely difficult, if at all possible.

So you think being a public figure means the gov't can surveil your every action? Even if you are committing no crime but merely exercising your constitutionally protected rights?

Nonballz' universe is a confusing place. The government can and should surveil public figures who are not breaking the law, and the government can break the law but should not be "surveilled" for accountability (to the public) by something as Silly and Unnecessary as the FISA court.

He doesn't believe the fascist police state will be interested in him because he looks so pretty in his cheerleading outfit.