for the sake of the children

Yes, indeed, let's hear about ALL of the children (indirectly involved in this case), in particular, those whose parents may have already spent, or still will spend, at least as much time in Iraq as Libby will spend in prison, a fact that is possible, in part, because of Libby's actions on behalf of Cheney, et al.

Not only do Libby, Cheney, etc., share the responsibility for this unnecessary war happening at all, but also for its poor execution, which has resulted in so many multiple deployments, and so many parents being unable to share the children's most important years.

Libby's supporters would do well to remember that his children can be assured of the high probability of their father's safe return... unlike the many children who have parents serving in Iraq now, or those whose parents did not return alive.

-- Karen M

Your post should be engraved on the frontal lobes of all these turkeys.

I mailed this article you posted about my congressman Conyers to a friend:

That was No Goof

This was no goof, nor was the switching of (D) and (R)during the Foley scandal. FOX is indeed a piece of work.

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Fox News apologizes for tape goof By DAVID BAUDER, AP Television Writer

Tue Jun 5, 8:29 PM ET

Fox News Channel apologized on-air Tuesday for running tape of a different congressman while reporting Monday on the indictment of Rep. William J. Jefferson on bribery charges....

I headed it, "Shades of 'They all Look alike to Me'"

She wrote back, "Well, they do. I can't see the difference between Fox and MSNBC. Can you?"

one paragraph in your quote to shooter raises real questions about Rockwell's credibility/source reliabiity:

... In the 1930s, a tougher breed of Americans didn't just demonstrate. They formed the Abraham Lincoln Brigade, went to Spain and fought in the Spanish Civil War. A famous movie star, Errol Flynn, risked his life and suffered wounds carrying money through enemy lines to the loyalist forces. Of course, Flynn was no sissy. Before becoming an actor, he was a deep-water sailor and smuggler and barroom brawler par excellence. He was real man, not an image of a man.

Journalists George Seldes covered the the Spanish Civil War and was with Flynn from from Paris to their arrival in Spain to Flynn's ignomimous departure. They were in Valencia waiting to be transported to the front, where Flynn was chauffered to no-man's-land in a private car. He then went along with the journalists (including Hemingway) to the tenches where both sides could be seen. Once the shootong began he asked for recommendations to a "good clean whorehouse" and split. The next day Flynn telegraphed a coded message to Paris, and the following day the Daily News headline read "Errol Flynn killed on Spanish Front."

Flynn then drove to Barcelona and showed corresponents a bandage on hia arm and left Spain the next day. No "wounds." No million dollars.

This account is from Seldes's Witness to a Century, pp. 325-25.

The men of Lincoln's Brigade are certainly to be emulated, but not Flynn, who had nothing to do with them.

As Treasury Secretary his policies attempted to move the wealth of the new republic upward and concentrate it in a mercantile class. Speculators, holding notes on government loans they bought at drastically depreciated value in the darkest days of the war, were to be paid off at face value. Taxes to pay off government debts were levied on the farmers - whose profits lay in distilling their grain - rather than on the whiskey merchants.

Reading the papers and pamphlets of Gallatin, Taylor, Findley et. al written during the early 1790s, there is no doubt these guys had Hamilton's number.

Findley said of the Federalists:

Monarchy and aristocracy cannot yet come to perfection in the American soil. Our citizens are possessed of too much information, and have too high a sense of their indivicual rights and independence, to suffer themselves to be governed by a junto, who have found the means of monopolizing the public wealth. [Damn, these guys could write!]

The Federalists are still among us, once again in ascendancy.

Thanks for saving me the necessity to post a fuller response to L.M.W. regarding an anti-Federalist's perception of the Federalist agenda. Your partial post, to whit:

But in view of the corporatization of the federal government, the concentration of 84 % of America's wealth in the hands of 20% of the

population (and 33% of that in the hands of 1%), the militarization of foreign policy, the declaration of their right to attack preventively any country or any group of people on earth, warrantless surveillance of US citizens, and other assaults on the Bill of Rights, to name but few, how much is left for the latter-day Hamiltonians to achieve of their programme?

And if Bush and Cheney are not acting like a junta, what is it to be called?

Yes, it is more exact to describe the latter-day Federalists as at their apogee rather than in ascendancy.

No doubt Findley and others were onto Hamilton well before Jefferson got back from France where he was, in his own words, "succeeding" Franklin as noone could ever "replace" him.

Once Hamilton really got his mojo going, an alarmed Madison had an epiphany, realizing those anti-Feds were right all along. He and Jefferson worked together through to a center, which perhaps lost the best of either of the nascent parties.

L.M.W., while I disagree with you that Findley "flunked the test on accuracy," I agree he did fail on prediction. He believed his faction would prevail because of an informed citizenry. That body, alas, has gone extinct in the wake of talk radio and FOX "fair and balanced." If we were so fortunate to have a George Seldes today, noone would read him, and if he were on TV, O'Reilly would tell him to shut up.

As in, "A lot of people say...?"