I don't think he'd be where he is now if they counted the first time and I don't think he'll win them a second either.

We need something decisive to end this nomination. Right now I only see one way to beat McCain. A Clinton/Obama ticket. I won't vote for her any other way and I feel a good part of the country wouldn't be excited if it weren't this choice.

So in effect, I'm hoping for a revote to make this race more decisive or give Clinton a legitimate claim to the nomination, which right now she does not have.

It's this type of hypocrisy that is turning me off to politics these days.

It doesn't matter. Neither does MS. Sure, I agree that they are delegates and a win is a win, but the only state that matters anymore is Pennsylvania. If Hillary wins that state by more than 5 points, it's going to be a rough convention.

Here are the outcomes I see after PA vote(assuming the highly unlikely scenario that Hillary can get a pledged delegate lead)

1 - Obama wins PA, contest over. Hillary drops out, Obama goes on to win November.

2 - Hillary wins PA and gets lead in popular vote by the end. Hillary swings supers to her, promises Obama VP, she's nominee.

3 - Hillary wins PA and doesn't get popular vote, she fights all the way to the bitter end slinging mud as much as possible, takes up the media spot light, Obama loses in November due to a hideous primary that allowed the GOP to mobilize and gain free ammunition from Hillary.

For this to finally be over and for him to win in November, Obama must win PA. There is no other decisive way to do it. He missed his chance in TX and OH, but that's all over now. He might have the delegate lead but you can't honestly tell me that Hillary doesn't have some plan set up if she wins PA and still doesn't close the gap in delegates. If she gets the popular vote somehow, I honestly think the pledged delegates won't matter a bit if she promises the VP spot to Obama after the supers swing her way, which she'll strongarm to vote for her.

I'm assuming that this won't be decided by the PA vote. If Hillary wins PA, then the MI/FL re-vote or not will benefit her and allow her to gain more popular vote or more delegates, which again probably do not matter anymore since she cannot reasonably take the lead.

It's all on PA.

Exactly

It's not that it needs to make any logical sense, it just needs to LOOK like you can win.

Pennsylvania is a "blue-collar" state, so is Ohio and Michigan. Who won those? Hillary. What states will be battleground states? Those 3. Who is the democratic base? Voters in those states. You could argue that Iowa, Wisconsin and perhaps, Virginia are also in there but who has the bigger delegate count? Hillary victory states.

What happens if Flordia is seated or has a re-vote? Hillary is going to play strong there and will probably win.

Now what? Well of course CA, WA, OR, MA, NY will go for Obama, they have in the last few elections. But she also took AZ (not in contest for Nov due to McCain being a senator there), NM, and NV.

See how this perception thing is working now? I totally agree with most of you on the fact that all states are important and we have a delegate system, which Obama will win. But the issue here is not that system, it's the superdelegates. They do not have to follow their state, their district or their party. They can vote for whomever they want.

So I ask you this: If Hillary has the popular vote, is losing by 100 pledged delegates, the MI/FL thing works in her favor somehow (or even is a nonfactor as it is now), and she wins PA....What way do you think the superdelegates go? What if she convinces Obama to accept the VP? Now what do they do?

It's not just a numbers game people, it's a perception game. All you need to do is have the perception you are a winner. Hillary got that on Tuesday with OH/TX. If she takes the popular vote before this is over, I don't see any way of stopping her getting the nomination or at least somewhat legitimately claiming she should be the nominee. Honestly? I think she has a pretty good claim to it under this scenario. It's the only scenario besides gaining the delegate lead, which won't happen, but honestly ask yourself what realistically will happen here. What is best for the party?

Interesting isn't it?

BTW, I'm an Obama supporter.

Just because the turnout for the republican's is low doesn't mean much. McCain had this thing wrapped up awhile ago and those numbers don't translate into much in November. The election will be closer than I think most people realize right now.

Of course I could be wrong, but I don't want to see people get stuck in our little blogsphere bubbles like when Kerry "couldn't lose".

We gotta fight for this one. The GOP is going to make a fight and it's going to look good. Look being the key word there.