"I guess it reminds me that in our secular society there are no personal sins anymore, just corporate and governmental sins. For the writers of Salon the only sinners left in the world are Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney, and perhaps those people who buy SUVs and do not recycle on a regular basis."

Secular people having consenual sex = greatest sin ever conceived or at the very least one on a par with killing a human being.

Religious people (you and your ilk) killing others for money, power, or out of fear = a non-sin and in fact is a moral good (because of course those people aren't Christians they're scary Mooosleeem terrarists).

The hypocrisy of the right and their lack of moral perspective and/or moral equivalency is truly pathological, delusional and outright astonishing if it wasn't so predictable.

Maybe you should actually read your bible before you pontificate on relative morality.

So you think adultery is emotionally and possibly financially hurtful to families (liberals agree) but wholesale destruction and killing of families in our name, with our tacit approval, by our government is apparently an equivalent "sin" in your mind. Right?

You really are an obtuse moral leper and know nothing of Jesus' true message. Oh right, this is the part where if I'm truly being Christlike I'm supposed to forgive your defense of killing and torture and love you despite your profound hypocrisy and sin. OK I do. But that doesn't mean you and your ilk should ever be allowed to wield power anywhere in the world every again until such time as you can demonstrate that you can even conceive of the nature of your sin.

Interesting that a Catholic University would open its arms to a torture enabler. The more things change the more the stay the same. Catholics like conservative Christians, based on shared history, have very little business lecturing anybody anywhere in the world on the subject of "morality" given their embrace and wholesale killing of non-believers.

show throwing and prositution should net you 7 years in the clink while fomenting and prosecuting two wars resulting in the preventable deaths of hundreds of thousands earns you accolades from the rich and morally repellent.

Go Team USA. I'm almost done caring about this place because most people don't care and the rest are largely ineffectual at shutting down the propoganda machinery that enables the Grand American Myth of Economic and Moral Exceptionalism. We've stolen, lied, coerced and bombed our way to power and money and that's a historical fact. But our time is coming.

I'm all for funding the hackers to just ratfu*k the entire network broadcast/cable tv system on a daily basis. Start disrupting Dancing with The Stars, Sunday Football, and American Idol and I betcha people start asking questions. Insert little messages that say "either take notice and action or I will forever deprive you of your daily medicinal dosage of "waves" that keep you so docile and misdirected." I'd jam all religious broadcasting as well. Otherwise I see no way out of this mess.

and KAH BOOM, Greenwald hits a monster shot, it's going, going, it's gone baby.

Why is this not on the NYT editorial page? Why will no major publication of large circulation print what this man has to say?

This is the sort of well reasoned visceral opinion piece that America needs to see if we are ever going to honestly assess or lives and hour place in the world. Self-delusion and unrepentent hypocrisy are the two things I like least about myself (in the rare instances I do engage in them) and the thing I like least in others. I can understand and forgive almost anything when people are willing to confront a problem head-on. Collectively burying our heads in the sand creates nothing but a sea of asses.

If anybody deserves a Pulitzer in the future I can only think of a few equally deserving.

sorry y'all.

held Tricky Dick accountable. Well sort of and that's the problem. Once TD was pardoned all pretext of this being a nation of laws went right out the window like a 60 mph index finger-flicked booger. And look at what Dick's minions have wrought--the near moral and financial bankruptcy of our nation. I always thought Norquist's sloganeering about "we are going to choke government until we can drown it in the bathtub" was some sorta mixed metaphor. But I guess they were serious about their gameplan. Government spending is bad unless it builds things that kill, spys on others, transfers money from poor to rich, peeps into bedrooms, or locks up drug users. V for Vendetta should be required reading/viewing for all junior high and above civics classes because it puts it all together quite nicely.

Still wondering if America was ever the place we were raised to believe in. I always accepted the idea that after stealing this land from the Native Americans we tried hard to become a more moral people over time, but now I'm not sure we really ever tried. We're just the biggest bully on the planet and until we get our asses seriously kicked or go completely broke we will continue you to be incapable of critical moral introspection about our conduct or our much vaunted "American way of life". We'll be completely ineffectual in dealing with the next bunch of inept amoral rich chumps that grab hold of the wheel and tell us we should be afraid of some undifferentiated group of brownish colored people and that if we don't stormtrooper on over there to deliever a little "shock and awe", we'll all die horrible instanteous deaths.

Somebody ought to tally up the number of deaths directly or indirectly caused as a result of our pathological bedwetting "rational" fear of others since WWII. 10,000 to 1 or better is my guess.