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Thursday, February 19, 2009 11:18 AM

I no longer see why I should deform myself for anyone else's amusement, ................. like weight loss and Botox, and ends with pretending to enjoy things I don't and be things I'm not. In the latter category lies

This is the heart of the matter: men would rather deform themselves and have horrible relationships, (in other words do everything that you are talking about to themselves and worse) with women rather than be cut off from them altogether. Women, in the absence of economic necessity, are not. So women can "force" men to do things and men cannot apply any kind of comparable "force" to women(because any woman subjected to this will not choose to stay in the relationship).

To add insult to injury women use this difference to argue that they are wonderful (becuse men still want them) and that they are victimized because the men they are around are not always "nice" and then they use THAT fact to "prove" either that men are inferior or that they are attempting to oppress women.

Thursday, February 19, 2009 12:52 PM

it's quite amazing how many women still insist that the clit is ignored in porn when in fact pussy eating is a prominent activity in virtually every mainstream porn flick

it is exactly the same as dedicated wingnuts living in their own alternative ideologically determined reality and simply not seeing everything around them in the world that contradicts it.

Thursday, February 19, 2009 01:04 PM

the problem weirdo is that men don't get to laugh very long because once she doesn't need you to take care of her kids she is happily out of the game

and willing to base her social and emotional life on asexual relationships. Men on the other hand generally are biologically required to be in relationships based on some sort of sexual chemistry, or at least the memory of it, to retain reasonably socially and emotionally functional (needless to say this fact of biology is of course another piece of "evidence" that men are either innately inferior or are ruined by the "patriarchy").

Thursday, February 19, 2009 03:27 PM

it's interesting that you say I sound life lifelike when the ONLY thing we say that is in any way similiar is that men and women are different

she constantly harps on male inferiority. It's almost as though you are buying into the assumption that different in this case IS inferior.

Thursday, February 19, 2009 03:41 PM

How come this fact isn't being translated into an epidemics of weight loss for men, so that they'll get more pussy -- especially if pussy is really so hard to get as you say?

Because it isn't enough. Which it is for women and gay men which is why there are no fat out of the closet gay men (too fat to fuck that is). If losing weight ALONE were enough there would be no fat men.

Thursday, February 19, 2009 03:44 PM

You are a free agent

Of course, but there are different internal pressures which are innate, that is the point. The sex/weight comparison is about right. Women tend to have the same attachment to excess food that men have to sex. Men can take or leave excess food (when doing so will make a real difference) and women can take or leave sex/romantic relationships.

Thursday, February 19, 2009 08:15 PM

But dick: no single factor is enough.

Actually it is if you are a woman or a gay man, that is the point: if you are not morbidly obese and are normal in other ways you are guaranteed social options (if you choose not to take advantage of them that is your business) on the basis of that alone UNLESS you are a straight male. Contary to what you might think I don't think this is not the only issue in the world but it is a real one.

Thursday, February 19, 2009 09:07 PM
Original article: The new pornographers

the fact that any desire to prosecute this behavior exists at all should make it clear to everyone that sex laws are all about control

"protection" is just an excuse.

Thursday, February 19, 2009 09:16 PM

you are also constantly claiming that 'women have it better' and 'men suffer more'

actually I don't and have in fact explicitly disavowed any assertion that this is true in any universal or absolute sense.

Thursday, February 19, 2009 09:23 PM

Now, if women don't have to do so much as men have to do in order to get sex, how come it is women who obsess about their weight and become bulimic/anorexic, precisely in order to 'look attractive'

because they want to attract GOOD men. It's similar to the situation between an employer and employee. They both need each other in the broad sense, and there can be situations where the employer is desparate and the employee has all the leverage but the employer only needs an employee who adds value to the business but people have to eat so the person who needs a job has to take the best available offer.

Thursday, February 19, 2009 11:55 PM
Original article: The new pornographers

if you could edit your face out of the picture on the phone before you sent it

that would entirely solve the problem.

Friday, February 20, 2009 10:22 AM
Original article: The new pornographers

What seems to be overlooked her is that this is primarily a phenomenon of young women exposing themselves to get the attention of boys

Of course this is absolute and total bullshit. As anyone who had ever used the internet or any other technology for social/sexual purposes (rather than opining from a hermetically sealed ideological buble) would know, males there, as elsewhere, are far more ready to take their clothes off than girls. The only difference is that when girls take them off the boys never complain that they are being harassed.

Friday, February 20, 2009 10:26 AM
Original article: The new pornographers

Not all that many years ago when I worked in Juvenile Justice we had an incident when a thirteen year-old girls masturbated in class--Social Studies if I recall correctly--and then stuck her fingers in the mouth of another girl.

If she'd done it to a boy she would have been a very popular, and most assuredly undisciplined, girl.

Friday, February 20, 2009 10:50 AM

no matter how many times and in how many different ways you try to say that women and men are in the same position regarding attracting the opposite sex it just isn't true

it doesn't mean women don't have problems, or even worse problems, or problems that bear SOME resemblance to the problems men have, but they don't have the SAME problems.

Friday, February 20, 2009 10:57 AM

What I don't see is that men always have to, or in fact more often significantly do, play the role of the employee rather than the role of the employer, in actual life.

In a traditional society they might, but in a society where everything is equal, (expect for the biologically based interest in sex/romance which is stronger or at the very least less easily disrupted in males than in females) males (unless they are very abnormally attractive) are almost always going to be in the position of the "employee".

Friday, February 20, 2009 12:23 PM
Original article: Do bikinis make men sexist?

maybe if women were truly of equivalent value and no longer second-class citizens, and if sex were not perceived as some source of shame or sin, that we would not have these problems with treating women like objects

until women have the experience of wanting men as much as men want them they will never stop feeling that they are being treated as "objects". Why don't gay men complain about being "sex objects", it sure isn't because gay men don't "objectify" other men. This is the true beauty and purpose of the "concept" of "objectification": NO MATTER HOW MUCH POWER WOMEN HAVE OR WHAT THEIR SOCIAL, ECONOMIC AND POLITICAL POSITION IS THE FACT THAT MEN STILL WANT TO FUCK THEM WILL ALWAYS MAKE THEM FEEL THAT THEY ARE BEING TREATED AS OBJECTS/VICTIMS and since for biological reasons fighting defense is nearly always more motivated and ferocious than offense it is a tremendous political and cultural organizing and motivating tool to justify treating increased power for women as the value which trumps EVERYTHING ELSE.

Friday, February 20, 2009 12:39 PM

the problem is that money doesn't have a gender

yes there are related issues which do but the lack of a direct gender angle lessens the intensity of the interest and focus

Friday, February 20, 2009 12:44 PM
Original article: Do bikinis make men sexist?

Sometimes I really wish you could have met a nice lusty woman when you were younger so you wouldn't have this fucked up idea that women aren't just as lusty and horny and wanting to fuck as men are.

When I see women who don't need money willing to get fucked to get fucked the way men do I will believe they want it as much. I don't see it, I won't see it and neither do you. You just aren't telling the truth, whether it is intentional or not I can't say.

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