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Sunday, February 1, 2009 04:46 PM

when societies are all male, such as prisons, or all female, such as prisons, the two situations and the people in them don't become the same

so evidently gender does matter. Yes it is true that some things do change in those situations, but not everything. Yes I know this isn't a true test of what an all male or all female world would be like, but so far, although perhaps for not as much longer as most people assume (at least as regards all female situations), we don't have too many examples of gender separated social worlds to study.

Sunday, February 1, 2009 04:58 PM

there is lots of legitimate research establishing the existence of innate socially significant gender differences; anyone who is interested can look into it

there are also a lot of politically and ideologically motivated attempts to minimize, hide, or discret it. The situation is quite similiar to what is happening with global warming science.

Monday, February 2, 2009 02:31 AM

it really is bizarre that a worthless asshole like Reagan can be sold to the mainstream and a guy who did a good job like Clinton can't be

if the USA doesn't go completely down the toilet it will be more than half the country deserves.

Monday, February 2, 2009 11:20 AM

The right one's out there, just probably not in their 20's. Of course, working with a competent therapist while you wait wouldn't

I agree that young people don't usually know what they are doing but I don't think older people necessarily do either, the fact that they may appear more enlightened is mostly due to just lacking the energy to keep fighting. On top of that there are real costs to waiting, especially for women, so I don't think the problems are going to solve themselves. If things are going to improve people will have to start out smarter, somehow.

Monday, February 2, 2009 11:30 AM

Women don't really NEED men for anything except money, women can live without the things that ONLY MEN can provide.

So women who don't have their own money i.e stay at home moms, are often feel they lack power and control and thus feel very insecure.

Monday, February 2, 2009 12:48 PM

is there any evidence in the ad that the women are unhappy with what is happening to them, if feminists want to contend that failure of the women to initiate constitutes lack of consent

then women are going to have to stop complaining about mens' lack of initiative.

Tuesday, February 3, 2009 12:40 PM

unless you think the world needs more people then every couple should only have two kids

no, population control will not make problems solve themselves, but having a rapidly growing population makes any solutions much more costly and difficult and, most importantly, or at least most permanently, more of the natural world will be permanently lost.

Tuesday, February 3, 2009 10:23 PM
Original article: Are men necessary?

of course they are and it doesn't matter whether or not all, most, or may women think so at any given time.

given the fact that it is now possible to create sperm from stem cells if even .00000001 of the female population conistently chooses to give birth to only females and nothing else changes the population will eventually become overwhelmingly female. Long before that happens, like starting now, (or whenever this technology becomes available) everyone will know that whatever males do exist only do because someone choose to allow it, and they could have easily chosen otherwise.

Wednesday, February 4, 2009 12:27 AM
Original article: Are men necessary?

Men will create the circumstances to make themselves necessary.

This has always been true in the past but things may be different this time. Technology which makes possible universal constant surveillance of everyone and makes it possible to effectively use violence to enforce the rules without regard to physical strength may make control physically possible and the fact that physical strength and physical courage are no longer economically and politically relevant in advanced societies may make it economically, politically and culturally possible to prevent them from doing so.

Wednesday, February 4, 2009 09:54 AM
Original article: Are men necessary?

The flip side being, of course, that there are lots of men controlling this very technology, in fact they were mostly responsible for creating it, and it doesn't seem to me that they are going to use it solely for

The point this that when you combine this fact with the fact that if lesbian couples have children which are a biological combination of them both and if the percentage of women who are lesbian couples who want to do this remains the same EVEN IF IT IS VERY TINY, then the population will become overwhelmingly female over time and men will be meaningless/irrelevant. The fact that men are not needed in any other specific practical sense means nobody is likely to step in and prevent this from happening.

Wednesday, February 4, 2009 12:13 PM
Original article: Are men necessary?

Ash, come on you aren't being rational, men can't produce a child without an egg and something to incubate it in.

Of course lots of things can happen over the long term and there are lots of ways to influence the sex ratio, but the point is that they all involve either positing entirely speculative events or technology (artificial incubators) or doing things that would be difficult (paying surrogates, selective abortion) which would likely cause problems. What I am talking about is the result of people who ALREADY EXIST simply continuing to do what we know they ALREADY WANT TO DO and now can do (well technically "soon will be able" to do). Something will have to be affirmatively done to interfere with this process if it is not to go forward.

Wednesday, February 4, 2009 01:16 PM
Original article: Are men necessary?

And I think a lot of men feel the same way. They're rather be alone than date or marry the likes of me, and I respect that.

Obviously the numbers are not equally balanced or there wouldn't be so many women complaining about sexual harassment and so few men doing so.

Wednesday, February 4, 2009 01:57 PM
Original article: Are men necessary?

ALL of the ways to produce a male surplus require effort, are difficult and will be resisted, the thing I am talking about will happen AUTOMATICALLY

given the facts and motives which we ALREADY KNOW exist. You are talking about pushing a rock uphill, I am talking about a rock rolling down, that is the difference. There is lots of reason to believe that the force necessary to roll the rock uphill doesn't exist. There is nothing logically or factually substantial to indicate that any barrier exists to it rolling down.

Wednesday, February 4, 2009 02:17 PM
Original article: Are men necessary?

yes there is NOW a tendency to favor boys, this isn't necessarily permanent though, and the fact that two women who wish to combine there genetic material in a child have no choice but to have only girls is

the permanent fact which can't be changed is thus likely to have more effect over time than the impermanent changeable one. We are talking a long time though.

Wednesday, February 4, 2009 03:27 PM
Original article: Are men necessary?

two women together can only have girls which are genetically their own so this tendency will last forever

unlike all the other tendencies that you refer to. The preference for boys in Asia is already dying out, by the way.

Wednesday, February 4, 2009 04:25 PM
Original article: Are men necessary?

There's a lot of discussion to be done on the topic of masculinity, among men themselves.

yeah, but why go to all that trouble if it isn't going to improve the opinions of women. Yeah, supposedly it would, eventually, indirectly, but it sounds like a lot of work with only vague hope of a payoff.

Wednesday, February 4, 2009 04:54 PM
Original article: Are men necessary?

it's fun to talk about sports (for most men, apparently)

talking about masculinity isn't. It's like talking about feminism, in fact in practice as far as the things men care about it's practically the same thing. It brings up a lot of unpleasantness for which there is no real remedy.

Wednesday, February 4, 2009 05:56 PM
Original article: Are men necessary?

in a feminist world self knowledge for men means understanding that women are right about everything

and any attempt to discuss masculinity in terms OTHER than this is interpreted by women as an attempt to oppress them or defend the patriarchy. So again, what is to be gained.

Wednesday, February 4, 2009 09:29 PM
Original article: Are men necessary?

yes, who else would I dominate

um...women? I don't know if this is necessarily relevant to you situation, but in general women seem perfectly happy to be lorded over by domineering aggressive women in a way they most of them would never DREAM of tolerating from a man.

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