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Monday, December 15, 2008 08:58 PM

uh, that's "hormonal decrepitude"

or something

Tuesday, December 16, 2008 12:19 PM
Original article: Eye for an eye, literally

this does raise the question of how to treat things like, say, sexual torture, can the victim do to the perpetrator what

was done to them, (or to a family member)? or hire someone else to do it, under state supervision. I realize this is not a realistic option in Iran, at least unless you leave out the sex, but in principle...

Tuesday, December 16, 2008 12:25 PM
Original article: Eye for an eye, literally

your're full of it on the rape issue, Bob

it is taken seriously and there is a lack of certain kinds of opportunity, but rape is EXTREMELY COMMON anytime a woman is alone and there are no witnesses. Since it will be her word against his and she will be held responsible for the sex (even by her own family usually) it is never reported or acted upon.

Tuesday, December 16, 2008 12:38 PM
Original article: WTF of the day

hey Phil nice of you to show up and demonstrate

that the stereotypical feminist "caricature" who believes EVERYTHING is ALWAYS ENTIRELY the mans fault, and that men can NEVER had legitimate complaints about anything involving women is no fantasy. People sometimes forget.

Tuesday, December 16, 2008 03:05 PM
Original article: WTF of the day

In a way Asehpe the question may come down to this:

men "pay" in a variety of ways for having "too much" interest in sex; do women (in Sweden and America, not Iran and Afghanistan) "pay" for having "too little" interest. Based on the gloating the answer would appear to be no.

Tuesday, December 16, 2008 03:33 PM
Original article: Eye for an eye, literally

apparently the Bush/Rumsfeld/Ashcroft/Woo practice of making up the definition of torture that you find convenient is spreading

it seems the problem of torture is completely solved: it never exists-by definition.

Tuesday, December 16, 2008 03:43 PM
Original article: Eye for an eye, literally

the problem, in a way, is that the punishment probably WILL make him more aware on some level of the meaning of what he has done to someone else

this is probably why the impulse to engage in it is so deeply rooted. Not a good thing, maybe, but not something that people are going to be rationally talked out of, either. I'm not saying societies shouldn't give up torture, I am saying that it probably is going to take more than rational argument for them to do so.

Tuesday, December 16, 2008 05:53 PM
Original article: WTF of the day

the more medical information which can be obtained cost-effectively (however it is judged)

the fewer and more manageable problems all other things being equal.

Wednesday, December 17, 2008 10:31 AM
Original article: Eye for an eye, literally

for all the women who are ambivlaent or supportive of this, would you feel the same way about a gay women who raped another woman being subjected to a state supervised

rape.

Wednesday, December 17, 2008 10:50 AM
Original article: Eye for an eye, literally

I should have said, a GAY woman who rapes a STRAIGHT women being subjected to a state supervised rape

by a man who genuinely gets off on it, in order to maintain true equality of crime and punishment. Sorry for the lack of clarity.

Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:00 AM

the US in many ways is reminiscent (not as bad, yet) of places like Iran, where people are killed for sex, or El Salvador where women are imprisoned for life for abortions,

or any other insane medieval shithole. The US thanks to 51% of the population voting sanely, was able to save the world from Hitler and Stalin. Hopefully Europe can return the favor, in a cultural, economic and political sense.

Wednesday, December 17, 2008 12:23 PM

it is unlikely that she consented to it (no I have no evidence but it is still unlikely) but that isn't the point

a wife has no more right to force her husband to be faithful, with the help of the "police" (formally or informally i.e social disapproval) than a man has to force his wife to have sex with him. The relations, or lack of them, between consenting adults are their OWN BUSINESS and NO ONE ELSE'S. Theocratic sexual police states at least have the virtue of an absence of hypocrisy.

Wednesday, December 17, 2008 12:36 PM

absence of hypocrisy in the sense that they don't deny the right of the govt. to tell people what kind of sex they should have

many of the proponents of criminalizing prostitution between consenting adults in the west deny that they are motivated by a desire to control sexuality and instead claim to be only trying to prevent abuse, etc.

Thursday, December 18, 2008 12:47 AM
Original article: Eye for an eye, literally

rape is EXTREMELY COMMON anytime a woman is alone and there are no witnesses

in Moslem countries, or at least the traditional backwards parts of many of them, this is indeed the case: no "decent" woman is ever in this position AND if she is and is raped she can never say anything since she will be punished for the sex unless she can PROVE, with witnesses, that it was forced. The comment referred specifically to this situation and is accurate.

Thursday, December 18, 2008 10:39 AM
Original article: The economic Civil War

As for Mr. Lind, perhaps he should revisit a history book. Reconstruction is maybe not the best period to evoke the measured, facilitating hand of Northern liberal largess.

Actually it is, reconstruction was an attempt to force the south to grant blacks some civil rights, the south resisted and the north gave up. The fantasy of reconstruction oppressing southern whites is confederate propaganda which has been almost totally accepted, apparently.

Thursday, December 18, 2008 11:28 AM
Original article: Eye for an eye, literally

It's one thing to have problems with western feminism and feminists but to insist that women NEVER are and NEVER have been oppressed anywhere as MMM seems to be doing

just makes you sound irrational. There is a mountain of evidence, from a variety of sources, that women in conservative Moslem areas who decline to accept male offers of supervision/chaperoning are frequently subject to sexual abuse both as punishment and because they make themselves a target of opportunity due to the fact that they can be punished for sex and rape can't be proved without witnesses. If criticism of female supremacist insanity depends on total denial of reality then they will win.

Thursday, December 18, 2008 12:33 PM

The problem here and in general is that the civility only goes one way

Conservatives think they have the right to use force to compel everyone to do the right thing, and that any attempt to interfere with their right to do so is an attack on them. How do you split the difference on this? That said, we have to work towards our goals in the world as it is, so maybe Obama is doing the smart thing. Time will tell, I guess.

Thursday, December 18, 2008 01:35 PM

Why did Barney Frank keep his Senate seat but Spitzer had to give up the Governorship

Because people think that when a man has sex, gay or straight, for money or not, he is an adult making a choice, not a persecuted victim unable to make a choice.

Thursday, December 18, 2008 06:55 PM

so Rose, do you also think that women who cheat on their husbands, or don't fuck their husbands as much as their husbands would like,

or who are bitches, should be barred from political office/partipation in public life/whatever or is it only men whose ability to function in any public role should be dependent on whether the opposite sex finds their behavior entirely pleasing.

Thursday, December 18, 2008 08:25 PM
Original article: The economic Civil War

The Civil War was America's first taste of imperialism and apparently people in the North haven't had enough of it yet.

The north invading the south to keep the country from breaking up is imperialism, but defending the right to hold half the population of your "invaded" "country" as slaves is self determination. I don't know what the south needs but there is still clearly something wrong with it.

Thursday, December 18, 2008 09:55 PM
Original article: The economic Civil War

The "freed" people don't seem to happy about it. It sound a lot like Viet Nam, Iraq, et. al. to me.

Yeah that's right, blacks liked being slaves. It suited them, not good at rational planning and self control, need guidance and supervision, you know how it is(I think you are making my point better than I could).

Thursday, December 18, 2008 10:04 PM
Original article: The economic Civil War

And why didn't the US invade Brazil, Jamaica, Haiti, etc. in order to free their slaves as well?

The only reason the North did anything about slavery was because the south tried to break up the country because the north wouldn't stop hurting their feelings by calling slavery immoral. It turns out, actually, that their fears about anything practical actually being done about slavery were proablbly groundless given that after the war the south was allowed to establish a slavery-in-all-but name system without any interference from the north which lasted until the 1950s. It's interesting that the irrational sense of pride and obsession with rank and status that is probably both a necessary condition and an inevitable consequence of a slave system is what caused to the south to act in such a way as to bring about the end of (formal)slavery.

Thursday, December 18, 2008 10:59 PM
Original article: The economic Civil War

The reason the south is so poor is because the white majority has always refused to make the rich contribute money to the public welfare, schools, roads, etc that would raise the standard of living for everyone because the niggers might benefit too

If it hadn't been for the federal govt they might still not have paved roads and electricity in poor areas...oh wait...

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