so even in the narrow sense it doesn't make sense

they seem more deadlike.

this is the heart of the matter. Thanks for contributing to an honest discussion.

if this is true in some general sense and not because you are unusually attractive for some reason it is hard to see why so many women are feeling so persecuted by male attention and so many men can't get any. Of course you could say that there are large numbers of BOTH kinds of women (aggressive AND harassed) but that doesn't explain why the "harassed" women totally dominate all public discussion and political/cultural/social/legal perspectives.

(other than people just giving up and going out with a bang) but I wonder if there is any way that human social and political institutions are up to managing a govt with that kind of power. Think of the temptations to do more and more "good" things by managing more and more closely where people go and what they do.

I know you intend it as a rhetorical question but there actually is an answer: they want women to have a sex drive which is as tolerant of men as men are of women. It's not biologically possible of course for women and men to be alike; unlike a lot, well some, women however nearly all men understand this. I don't think anyone, other than "all gender is a social construct" feminists believes there is a real solution.

because in case of DV there is an ongoing interaction. It isn't clear how often and how closely the situation with stalkers is similar. No doubt there is some similarity and "spurned" practitioners of DV often become dangerous stalkers, but it may be that more controls would just result in more extreme actions from stalkers "out of the blue". Some situations would probably be helped too. It would be interesting to know if there exists any basis for making a rational evaluation of how much of each you would get under different legal and enforcement scenarios.

between a sex toy and a real person. It would be a female paradise right? No angry or pushy men.

the problem is the some people ARE repulsive and creepy to EVERYONE and are social and sexual pariahs as a result. and some people don't respond well to be being in this state. Are you going to lock up for years of preventive therapy everyone who is like this, or who somebody THINKS is like this. Stalking IS a crime in most places now but you still have to define it. Has anyone thought through the implications of a system where sending e-mail to someone in violation of an "official" "don't send me e-mail" declaration results in years in jail.

available.

exactly my point, men have to perform for women to want them. Women can be,and often are, total psycho losers and still have men kissing their ass.

this is easy advice to give, and take, for women, most of whom, like Celia, apparently prefer their own garden to begin with

men can't treat women like dogshit and still get laid. Women can and do treat men like dogshit and have no problems. In fact they believe they are entitled to do so, the existence and widespread acceptance of female supremacist feminism proves this, actually proves both the female entitlement and the male acceptance.

obviously the situation is NOT gender neutral or the same thing would apply to men

is are more or fewer women having more, less, or the same sex with the same people, or with different people, than in the past.

in as much as they can consent to anything.

In all honesty it is difficult to argue, from a strictly material point of view, with the suggestion that the best way to get rid of a persistent squatter would be to wait until he is back in your legally owned house, show up with a gun when no one else is around and shoot him in "self defense". If you don't like this approach what alternative is there for people in this situation.

people are going to be reluctant to pursue them. Yes it is true that not doing anything probably won't help either and something is better than nothing, but the fact is that it is very difficult for people to take action which feels like an "escalation" or "provocation" unless they have some sense that it is actually going to accomplish something.

everyone has to support their kids, peoples sexual/contractual arrangements with each other should be their own affair.

is going to.

but there will always be something that falls below the threshold of whatever the definition is. Even if you established a system where virtually everything was considered stalking or harassment would this stop people from becoming obsessed and acting on it? In theory action could be taken before the situation escalated but would the actual result be cutting off problems before they developed or would they develop in silence.

for something when they can get something else of equal value for free

yeah, you have to be a LITTLE gay, I guess, to get anything out of it at all, but it is equally absurd to suggest that there is no meaningful difference between his reaction to his desperation sex partner and his reaction to a beautiful woman.

You got it backwards, for men at least the bulk of the population is at the "extreme heterosexual" end of the curve. I can't speak for women. Could women return the favor? It could be that you are gay, although this seems less lilkely; most gay men know men well enough, and know their OWN sexuality well enough, to know that this is a fantasy.