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Thursday, June 5, 2008 12:13 PM

All they had to offer was being male and available. Not saying you're like that, just that those men exist. And there are women like that too.

Thank you for providing the perfect illustration of the situation even though you neglect to spell out it's implications, luckily I am prepared to correct this inexplicable oversight: a man "like that" is usually capable of taking a genuine interest in a woman "like that" once he is convinced he can't do any better but a woman "like that" generally will be incapable of a real emotional or sexual interest in a man "like that" (even if she is interested in having financial and social assistance, kids and someone to help with them, etc.).

Thursday, June 5, 2008 12:17 PM

the question, malusinka, is why interest in pussy implies disrespect for women

men certainly wouldn't feel disrespected if women were obsessed with their cocks. Not saying there aren't reasons, just that the issue should be understood for what it is, not promoted as an unexamined moral absolute.

Thursday, June 5, 2008 01:38 PM

hilarious

the response that is, actually the real article makes clear what happened: everyone was killed except for the fertile women.

Thursday, June 5, 2008 02:05 PM

where I am the the prius is very popular with everyone, for a while a lot of effort was being put into promoting

the idea of a contrast between the effete prius owner and the real american hummer/suv/pickup driver. $4 a gallon gas seems to have deflated this campaign somewhat though. (You CAN get 60 plus miles to the gallon on the freeway in a prius and there is no non hybrid you can drive which comes anywhere near it which isn't MUCH smaller).

Thursday, June 5, 2008 02:13 PM

Is is common in many cultures that women and children are afforded mercy that men are not, this common bias could have easily been the case.

except that the kids were killed too, only the adult women were spared.

Thursday, June 5, 2008 02:31 PM

actually the evidence suggests that among all socially monogamous animals, not just humans,

the females "marry" the guys that will do a good job helping with the "kids" and cheat with the hot guys when they can get away with it, (there is also, and not just with humans, a lot of energy put into defeating this strategy by the "suckers").

Friday, June 6, 2008 02:02 AM

the fact that men are obsessed with pussy does not mean that women are reduced to a body part, it just means that men are obsessed with sex

it's convenient though because as long as men have a stronger sex drive than women i.e forever unless hormones are added to the water supply and are therefore "reducing women to a body part" women will always have "proof" that they are disrespected, victimized, abused, "objectified" etc. etc. no matter how much of the money, social authority, political authority, advanced degrees or anything else that they have.

Friday, June 6, 2008 11:37 AM

From what we know of human history, mass raids where large groups are impersonally executed in order to carry off their women are well outside the normal range of human behaviour

You don't know much about human history then, because this statement is flat out wrong.

Friday, June 6, 2008 11:45 AM

raids to steal food and territory are also the norm, in other words people, in this example men, will fight for what they require in order to survive and reproduce, including women, if there is any chance of success

and this fighting for/over women takes many forms, in many times and places it has frequently included lethal group actions. This evidence for this general fact is overwhelming and unequivocal.

Friday, June 6, 2008 11:49 AM

there were 3 identifiabley different groups, (the ability to determine this was actually the main point)

and in the largest group there were no adult women killed only men and kids.

Friday, June 6, 2008 02:14 PM

doesn't matter how many times you say it bob it doesn't make it true

of course if you have the ability to steal the women you will likely take other things too, or the other way around, so there is never (well rarely) a "women only" situation, there is however overwhelming evidence that getting women is often a major factor and in many cases looks like the dominant factor.

Friday, June 6, 2008 02:19 PM

and one group raiding another and killing everyone who resists or who isn't desired as a captive

is, in the historical and anthropological sense of the word, normal. Doesn't mean this is what everyone does all the time, but it's been widespread.

Friday, June 6, 2008 05:48 PM

because everyone assumes, correctly, that any straight man who doesn't have access to women willing to sleep with him is a miserable loser (the presence of a marriage is irrelevant)

so there is nothing to discuss. Women on the other hand often claim that their situation is not so clear cut, therefore there IS something to discuss and so people discuss it.

Friday, June 6, 2008 08:35 PM

always has a chance to marry a man, as long as she does not demand Mr. Perfect and is not psycho

I can assure you based on the personal experience of most people I know that the "not psycho" part is STRICTLY optional.

Friday, June 6, 2008 09:46 PM

well, except for one little detail....

men are interested in steering clear of marriage NOT steering clear of sex while women are steering clear of both.

Tuesday, June 10, 2008 01:41 PM
Original article: And baby daddy makes three

I think any reasonable person can see

that when you have relationships, and a society, consisting of pairs of co-parents one of which gave birth to the kid (and therefore, who, absent unusual circumstances is the "real" legal parent with the other one being a helper) and one who did not who spend most of their time and resources on their kid but have no real, i.e romantic or sexual, relationship with each other that the vast majority of men will end up the functional equivalent of eunuch servants.

Tuesday, June 10, 2008 01:49 PM
Original article: And baby daddy makes three

although it has to be admitted that even with relationships which nominally DO exist in a "real" form i.e marriage

this usually happens anyway. It's somewhat disconcerting though to see people openly giving up.

Wednesday, June 11, 2008 12:27 PM
Original article: And baby daddy makes three

whether he wants to pay is irrelevant, she can FORCE him to pay AT ANY TIME

he is only off the hook until the exact moment she wants him to do something and he doesn't want to do it.

Wednesday, June 11, 2008 02:23 PM
Original article: And baby daddy makes three

are you asking me curious? ok you forced it out of me

because most women won't get (or at least won't stay) seriously involved with a man (unless he is abnormally rich or VERY abnormally attractive) who is devoting significant resources to raising another woman's kid(s) men in this situation generally will have no life. This probably explains a lot of the reaction even when other reasons are given. It's a little like Hillary hatred, the reaction is real but the explanations given for it don't account for the amount or the intensity of the reaction.

Thursday, June 12, 2008 06:12 PM

I'm glad to see that the temptation to say that men would react the same way as women do if men weren't brainwashed by the phallocentric patriarchy/too stupid to understand their true nature

maybe progress is being made

Thursday, June 12, 2008 06:14 PM

or maybe

not

Thursday, June 12, 2008 07:39 PM

umm, that should be

temptation to say, etc, was resisted, so maybe progress is being made.

Thursday, June 12, 2008 07:58 PM
Original article: Hard drive

you can still mix chromosomes without any males

female stem cells have already been tweaked to produce sperm, obviously only sperm with two x chromosomes, but two women can thus produce daughters and the genetic mixing is exactly the same is what happens when a man and a woman have a daughter.

Thursday, June 12, 2008 08:05 PM
Original article: Hard drive

I thought evolutionary biology was the exclusive province of male computer geeks who

couldn't get women. I'm so confused.

Thursday, June 12, 2008 08:10 PM
Original article: Hard drive

Bob says it so it must be true

TCF and FF are now officially tools of the patriarchy.

Thursday, June 12, 2008 08:54 PM

When will we grant the same courtesy to men?

The problem is that men may turn out to not be like women and not necessarily inclined to do what women want them to, then where would we be?

Thursday, June 12, 2008 09:01 PM

Oh he's not bi, he's just afraid to say he's full out gay.

They appear to have the evidence on their side or at least some interpretations of it; it seems that whenever responses are measured men ALWAYS respond either to only one gender or to one MUCH more strongly than the other. There is never "true bisexuality" i.e an equal (or anywhere close to it) response to either gender in men, although there is in women. I suppose you could define ANY capacity to go both ways as "bi".

Friday, June 13, 2008 01:37 AM
Original article: Obama's best veep choice

but there are are lots of people who believe or want to believe that bad experiences with women turn men gay.

no there aren't, because everyone knows that if this were possible all men would be gay.

Friday, June 13, 2008 10:08 AM
Original article: Hard drive

being unreasonable doesn't help your case whoever you are:

for example if it is male bashing to say that men are or should be or could be the same as women and it is male bashing to acknowledge that men are innately different from women what is the point of anybody trying to discuss anything.

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