I assume the point is that since there is supposedly virtually never any real punishment that THAT fact is meaningful in itself independent of the particulars of a given case. (Actually in the TINY number of cases which are prosecuted the women tend to receive some punishment, but the circumstances have to be almost freakishly rare for a prosecution to occur at all. Any adult woman can have all the teen boy sex she wants with virtually no risk and men do not have this opportunity with teen girls, not that they should necessarily although an age of consent of 18 or 21 is too high).

(Men like smooth skin and big tits or whatever why can't women admit that their instinctive responses are equally amoral, oh never mind) Anyway I'll make do with a fleshlight over a $5K "realistic" doll but I assume that the "dead body aspect" is a negative which other aspects of the realism overcome and not a positive selling point

oh say...young men take advantage of desperate older women for sex so they don't have to do the work and practice the reciprocity of a real relationship with a young and therefore presumably not so desperate....etc..

oh say...young men take advantage of desperate older women for sex so they don't have to do the work and practice the reciprocity of a real relationship with a young and therefore presumably not so desperate....etc..

and they also get a lot of hate, or people LOVE one and HATE another one that doesn't seem any different from the first one for "reasons" which are impossible to make sense of.

umm...what ARE you doing with it then?

Yeah I did, but the question still remains: If it ISN'T that what IS it.

If people were prepared to familiarize themselves with the facts of biology regarding sex and the differences between men and women 40 years of feminism would have to be rethought. Interestingly enough, 40 years ago the concept of the androgynous brain was (somewhat)scientifically credible. It's not a coincidence that even though this ceased to be true 30 years ago and the mountain of evidence has piled higher and higher ever since that this "lack of familiarity" with the facts of life persists.

BUT it seems QUITE a stretch to claim that inserting a fake penis into yourself doesn't have at least SOME connection SOMEWHWERE in your brain to the idea of a real one. Well OK, now that I state it this way I guess it's pretty obvious what the motives of those who make this claim might be.

Like gender you mean? Rest assured no straight male chooses to be straight when he sees how much action for so little work that any male who is or can go gay gets. It's entirely NOT a matter of conscious choice.

this is actually pretty unlikely, whatever she looks like now she looked a LOT BETTER 20 or 30 years ago, besides if twenty something women are really having trouble competing they are doing an EXCELLENT job of hiding all the evidence.

this is frequently said but it isn't true, or at any rate is not the whole truth. There are a lot of aspects of beauty and attraction which are objective, at least in the sense that they are shared among an overwhelming percentage of humanity.

I said that fucking yourself with a dildo cannot be ENTIRELY separated on all levels from the idea of getting fucked by a penis. You seem to want to imply that it can be so separated but you don't, understandably, seem to want to assert this directly.

desperate.

If anyone says this then I guarantee you that it has NO connection to reality and isn't worth worrying or talking about no matter what your sexual political views are: no on who is in a position to try lots of fallen harlots is using a sex doll. Guaranteed.

Women are not immune from social awkwardness and lack of social skills can definitely limit a womans options compared to what they would be if she had more skills, but a woman can always get at least SOMETHING going with SOMEONE if she is willing to say "yes". This is simply not guaranteed to be true of men.

but most means more than 50 percent, it does NOT MEAN, as many seem to want to imply, that it is so freakishly rare that it might as well not exist at all and should be treated and thought of as though it doesn't.

No that it is the point, many of them have always continued to be Catholics and still do. It will be interesting to see how far this goes. The hierarchy always has to strike a balance between asserting it's authority and having to excommunicate so many people that the church is destroyed. Despite the bravado of "conservatives" if they REALLYy stuck to the "follow ALL the rules or you're out" line there would be no church, or it would be tiny.

that there isn't much difference in principle between a sex doll and a dildo, which some women do use, really they do, and that I strongly suspect that most everyone who uses either knows it is a substitute for something else.

This sounds like a distinction without a difference to me, at least when applied to the situation we are discussing here. In fact I suspect the guys who use them have to USE a lot of imagination (to overcome the corpse like aspect if nothing else).

Often the ONLY WAY for this to happen is for someone on the inside to spill. Even if the facts are known it often doesn't matter until someone prominent on the inside confirms them. Until then it is possible for partisans to ignore them and for all discussion to be stigmatized as partisan. Once someone prominent confirms everything this becomes much harder. This fact is much more important now and in the future than any personal reactions that anyone might have to an individual.