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Tuesday, April 8, 2008 11:21 AM

maybe tina there is a difference between jumping on a womans stomach and forcing her to drink the resulting abortion and a guy cumming on a drunk girls leg after she says no or maybe or somehting while they are doing it

or maybe it means a woman who is paid for sex but doesn't like her job, or maybe it means a woman who feels she was subjected to some sort of emotional of social pressure etc. which is what a lot of broadsheet feminists like you are referring to when they talk about rape. Maybe the difficult to grasp distinction between these two gradations of rape accounts for the fact that different causes might be believed to be behind them.

Tuesday, April 8, 2008 11:29 AM

some kids don't make a sound, even when they're in pain. Especially if they're taught from birth to repress any strong emotion.

only extreme fear resulting from the most severe abuse can keep kids from screaming when they are in pain. The capacity to repress strong emotion in order to achieve a goal (other than survival) is an ability that comes with sexual maturity.

Tuesday, April 8, 2008 11:34 AM

I've been left red and bleeding from overheated wax

Are you suggesting that this is the norm, and do you agree with the poster who claims that an 8 year old who was taught to repress strong emotion would quietly accept this treatment.

Tuesday, April 8, 2008 12:31 PM

But are Americans so whacky now that bikini wax= genitalia wax

In all likelihood they are, when 18 year olds having sex are considered child abuse victims (or women of any age who are being paid) or when renaissance nudes are considered pornography and their presence creates a "hostile environment" for female college professors, or when propositioning someone more than once is rape, or when wiping a kid's ass is child molestation if the kid (or its mother) is annoyed with you for some reason, it is hardly surprising that the ability to make "fine distinctions" "down there" is lacking.

Tuesday, April 8, 2008 12:37 PM

but he was always involved.

it is just as likely that his involvement would be taken as evidence of his belief in patriarchal ownership of you and refusal to grant you human rights:

involvement=patriarchal domination due to belief in female inferiority and an attempt to keep women down.

lack of involvement=neglect and lack of caring due to a belief in female inferiority and an attempt to keep women down.

Tuesday, April 8, 2008 01:22 PM

Or, perhaps it is the issue.

Is this just a rhetorical flourish or do you really think that women aren't enjoying the interaction but are instead getting off on their "financial dominance" or something. I've assumed that when, or if, women pay for "it" that this belief system would be called into question. Maybe I'm wrong, I doubt it though because I think it is far more likely that when women pay for it their motives will be "discovered" to be COMPLETELY different than those of male oppressors.

Tuesday, April 8, 2008 01:45 PM

The irony in this is that this situation means that a straight male client will sometimes have gay sex with a straight geisha boy

Uh, they aren't straight if they want to have gay sex, bi maybe.

Tuesday, April 8, 2008 02:36 PM

religion can justify anything but there is no reason to doubt that ANY necessary justifications can be achieve without reilgion

we CAN, potentially, get rid of certain TYPES of authoritarian religion, but the broader religious impulse is probably innate. The proponents of traditional religion enforced by coercion are very well served when the issue is presented as a choice between them and NO religion at all.

Tuesday, April 8, 2008 02:52 PM

the reason porn stars shave is becasue it reduces chafing when you screw A LOT, (works for non stars too)

someone having "normal" amounts of sex doesn't need to shave for this reason of course, but since males, especially young ones (and ugly ones of all ages), have to rely so much on porn given the difficulties of finding women to have sex with it isn't at all surprising that porn standards have influenced how men see sex. Reading more than that into it just illustrates the sexual hysteria and prudery that causes porn to be a much bigger part of more peoples lives than it would otherwise be. I'm not suggesting that porn would ever disappear completely if more women were interested in more sex, but there would likely be less of it.

Wednesday, April 9, 2008 04:53 PM

You may not be right, but at least you've acted on your own. I've tried to live that way, and so far, the world hasn't ended

No but if you were male sex might have for reasons other than your own choice.

Thursday, April 10, 2008 11:45 AM

the reason the issue is never going to stop being discussed Bob, in spite of the fact that there really is nothing new to say

is that porn is an example of and a representative for all the things about sex that men and women disagree about, (why, when, with who, how often, what ruins it, what doesn't etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.....) obviously this, in some form, is never going to stop being talked about.

Thursday, April 10, 2008 11:48 AM

alarm bells: Are you pro-murder, then?

This isn't much of an argument for you because fundie lunatics (of both the Christian and Moslem flavor) aren't against murder, at least of anyone who disagrees with them about anything.

Thursday, April 10, 2008 01:46 PM

I've said it before but since lots of people still haven't gotten the message I'll say it again

for every person at every level suffering health consequences from trying too hard to be thin, there are thousands who suffer equivalent damage by not trying hard enough i.e. they are too fat, which contrary to popular myth DOES mean they aren't trying hard enough since EVERYONE can be a healthy weight, even if the amount of food they have to eat (actually NOT eat) to do it varies.

Thursday, April 10, 2008 01:56 PM

even the most sensitive and thoughtful pornography, created by feminists with the best of intentions, can be consumed by misogynists in a way that ultimately undercuts feminist goals.

so you are saying then that controlling what men think about when they jerk off is necessary to achieving feminist goals? How do you plan to achieve this, wearable brain scans? or are you going to be moderate and limit your activities to controlling everything that is said, written or viewed? If this isn't what you are referring to please explain specifically what pornography being "consumed in a way which undercuts feminist goals" means and how you would prevent this and what would constitute "consumption of pornography" which would NOT undercut feminist goals.

Thursday, April 10, 2008 02:10 PM

if women don't like the way the culture "trains" men regarding sex why don't they take over the training themsleves

men are far more interested in what women think that what magazine publishers/movie makers/whatever think and the only reason they settle for the latter is because the former is unavailable. The catch of course is that you can't influence how the game is learned and played if concern with keeping the equipment out of the wrong hands and the wrong people off the field overwhelms all other considerations to the point where nothing ever(or rarely) happens.

Thursday, April 10, 2008 11:30 PM

the reason they show the cum shot is to know the guy really came, obviously no guy wants to pull out when he cums in real life

but if you don't show it the actor might not be enjoying it at all and that is even worse. I wonder how long it will be before porn will be made that will allow men to dub themselves into all the male roles. It might then be possible to show more realistic looking sex because the need to "prove" authenticity as an aid to vicarious enjoyment would be less.

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