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Saturday, January 3, 2009 11:33 AM

Fisk airs a note of caution for the tank / invasion phase

But then, who wants to ever listen to caution when there's a manly war to be fought?

One common feature of Middle East wars is the ability of all the antagonists to suffer from massive self-delusion. Israel's promise to "root out terror" – be it of the PLO, Hizbollah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Iranian or any other kind – has always turned out to be false. "War to the bitter end," the Israeli defence minister, Ehud Barak, has promised in Gaza. Nonsense. Just like the PLO's boast – and Hamas' boast and Hizbollah's boast – to "liberate" Jerusalem. Eyewash. But the Israelis have usually shown a dangerous propensity to believe their own propaganda. Calling up more than 6,000 reservists and sitting them round the Gaza fence is one thing; sending them into the hovels of Gaza will be quite another. In 2006, Israel claimed it was sending 30,000 troops into Lebanon. In reality, it sent about 3,000 – and the moment they crossed the border, they were faced down by the Hizbollah. In some cases, Israeli soldiers actually ran back to their own frontier...

...there will, at some stage, be an individual massacre; a school will be hit, a hospital or a pre-natal clinic or just an apartment packed with civilians. In other words, another Qana. At which point, a familiar story will be told; that Hamas destroyed the school/hospital/pre-natal clinic, that the journalists who report on the slaughter are anti-Semitic, that Israel is under threat, etc. We may even get the same disingenuous parallel with a disastrous RAF raid in the Second World War which both Menachem Begin and Benjamin Netanayahu have used over the past quarter century to justify the killing of civilians.

And Hamas – which never had the courage to admit it killed two Palestinian girls with one of its own rockets last week – will cynically make profit from the grief with announcements of war crimes and "genocide".

At which point, the deeply despised and lame old UN donkey will be clip-clopped onto the scene to rescue the Israeli army and Hamas from this disgusting little war. Of course, saner minds may call all this off before the inevitable disaster. But I doubt it.

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-the-self-delusion-that-plagues-both-sides-in-this-bloody-conflict-1218224.html

Saturday, January 3, 2009 08:47 AM

Glenn: Another fantastic example of journalistic investigation & discussion on BBC this morning

This morning's BBC NewsHour was reporting from Jerusalem. The discussion included reporters on the site, locals watching the artillery shells hit, tough questions for Israeli and Palestinian and UN and other officials, the whole lot.

It's really worth a listen, if for nothing else just to hear how real journalism is supposed to be.

BBC NewsHour

Only available on Saturday, 1/3/2009, as only daily archives of each morning / evening broadcast are made available

http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/programmes/newshour.shtml

BBC: Gaza Under Attack

http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/news/2008/12/081229_gaza.shtml

Friday, January 2, 2009 08:26 AM

The Founding Fathers actually preferred that we citizens let our government act in secret on secret information our government claims to possess

It's not well known, but our Founding Fathers were really trying to aim for a society in which we citizens understood that Our Leaders had to have all sorts of secret information that they could use to make decisions and we just had to trust that they knew what they were doing and we doing the right thing.

That's why Dick Cheney is always quoting Thomas Jefferson when Jefferson was writing about how the government should try to keep information out of the hands of the citizens, because we're so irresponsible, and also how we don't need all these newspapers because the government can tell us stuff just as well, and the government can make sure and edit out the things we shouldn't know 'cause that stuff would just make us upset.

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