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El Cid

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Saturday, June 9, 2007 08:52 AM

RealName's Right: How Can US' Leaders Do Wrong If Cuban Gov't Does Worse?

Once again our Founding Fathers are proud of how the pinheads now in charge liberally defecate all over what they -- and the citizens who fought and died for their cause -- desired, that this nation be a nobler nation, a better example, in fact the best qualities of our nature put into organized form.

Because instead of living a complicated life where we try to do what's right because, well, it's what you ought to do, and it works better, it turns out that everything we do is okay, because we're us, and because someone else out there does worse.

Man, it's finally a relief to shed this moral burden of citizenship.

Given what the Cuban government does, or the Uzbek government, or the Saudi government, we oughtta be able to do damn well anything to anybody anywhere and never feel bad about it!!

God forbid we have fair trials just because it's what is honorable and desirable! Jeesh, now everyone knows that people who want fair, open, and honest trials for everyone are just p***ies who got too much sympathy for the accused!

God forbid we restrain ourselves from torture or from supporting torture because one time long ago we wanted to be better than being a nation of torturers! Heavens to Betsy, look how many people our buddies in Egypt torture. We probably do it less than they do -- well, they might actually be doing some of that for us -- and besides, we don't want anyone to think we lack resolve!

Remember, only the most stupid and vain of macho pretenders can keep this nation safe, just like George W. Bush Jr. and Rudy Giuliani kept us safe from terrorism on September of 2001!

Brains are a hindrance to security! For maximum safety, abandon thought!! Thinkin's fer cowards!!! Yield to blind rage!!!! It's our only way out!!!!!

Sunday, June 10, 2007 01:03 PM

Attack On Iran Would NOT Be Pro-Israel, No Matter How Large "the Consensus". Right wing lunatic "establishments" are wrong both here & there.

In the same way that the US invasion and occupation of Iraq was an utter, pathetic disaster for both the people of Iraq and the people of the USA, despite however strong the poll numbers for it were when it began, those who think they are serving the interests of "Israel" by continually pushing the center-hawk position are not. They are neither helping Israelis nor the US.

Here are some wise words from Israeli peace activist and writer Uri Avnery.

from Fatal Kiss

by Uri Avnery

Nowadays, our politicians and generals speak freely about the inevitable attack on Iran. The pro-Israeli lobby in the US, both Jewish and Christian, is toiling mightily to push American public opinion in this direction. All these gentlemen and ladies, in their comfortable villas far from the prospective battlefields, yearn for a war which will cost the lives of the sons and daughters - of other people.

The advocates of the war declare that it is necessary in order to prevent a "Second Holocaust". That has already become a mantra. This week, Jacques Chirac nearly exploded it, when he expressed the self-evident: that if an Iranian nuclear bomb were launched at Israel, Israel would wipe Tehran from the face of the earth. The Iranian rulers are not mad and the "balance of terror" will do its job. But the "friends" of Israel and the USA started to pelt Chirac with verbal rocks, and he hastily retracted.

LET'S ASSUME for a moment that the Israeli Air force, with the help of the American naval forces that are now being steadily built up in the Persian Gulf, succeeds in bombing targets in Iran. What will happen then?

Iranian missiles will rain down on Tel-Aviv and Haifa. The promise of our Air Force to destroy them on the ground is worth no more than the similar promises we heard about Lebanon. In order to defend Israel, American soldiers would have to go into Iran. Israel's account would be debited with every casualty. If Israel is, God forbid, the first to use a nuclear bomb there, the shame will last forever.

The masses of the Arab - indeed the entire Muslim world, both Sunnis and Shiites, will rally around Iran. The Sunni heads of state, who are embracing Israel now in secret, will run away in panic. We shall be left alone to face the revenge that will come sooner or later. Will we be able to rely on the heirs of Bush, who may be less reckless and more inclined to listen to world public opinion, which will inevitably blame us for this whole adventure?

Iran is not a second Iraq, neither is it Hizbullah multiplied by ten. It is an entirely different story.

But is anyone here thinking about it seriously? Will the successors of the share-selling Chief-of-Staff and the tongue-pushing minister be more thoughtful? Or will they decide upon a new military adventure with the same unbearable lightness?

http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/avnery/1170541532

Sunday, June 10, 2007 01:07 PM

Re "You are a scary person Glenn."

Boogity boogity boogity.

Sunday, June 10, 2007 01:22 PM

Re "el cid... you aren't scary in the least"

el cid...

you aren't scary in the least.

-- tiberius

What if I put a towel on my head like an old-fashioned Popeye cartoon Ay-rab and walk around rubbing my hands together and laughing like "Mwoo ha ha ha ha..."

Would I be skeery then?

Or do I have to go whole hog and straight for the skeeriest thing right wingers have ever, ever seen, the powerful, dominant force behind every bad thing and the imminent destruction of Life As WeKnowIt:

A Hillary Clinton costume. With toy black helicopter, Vince Foster poster with target painted on it, and a book labeled "U.S. Socialist Health Care" complete with Hammer & Sickle on the cover?

You still awake? Did you faint from that? Just checking.

Sunday, June 10, 2007 01:27 PM

Please, God, Let This Not Become Another Ron Paul / Libertarian Comment Fest

I know my prayers can only be answered by the humans here on Earth, that such prayers are not fit for a Supreme Being, should one ever exist, but still, surely it can't hurt to ask.

Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeez let this not become another Ron Paul / Libertarian fest. Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez.

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