It's pretty clear from the exit polling that younger people overwhelming voted against Prop 8, so it's sensible and logical to conclude that FOTF and other hate organizations are on the wrong side of history.

Gay marriage isn't being imposed on anyone, no one is being forced to marry someone of the same sex. What is being imposed is the irrational whims of myth-worshippers like FOTF, those Catholic bishops, the jackass mormon leadership, and other shitheads that want their insupportable prejudices imposed by law on other people. Incidentally, all of their advertising were lies, so people voted for a lie. They couldn't have won the popular vote without lying. The polls before their advertising prove that. Hopefully someday you can have your personal civil rights voted upon, and lose, so that you'll know how evil this was. Judging by your letter, it looks likely that you supported that outcome. Rights should not be subject to vote, it's obscene, and the people who support this garbage are worse than obscene.

--Ron

Laurel sez: In saying that Focus on the Family is "on the wrong side of history" or whatever, I hope you are taking into account that every other anti-gay marriage issue on the ballot Nov. 4 also went the same way (against gay marriage) and that the only states that have gay marriage OR civil unions are those were they were imposed on the citizens of that state by judicial decree, and not with a popular vote.

What? They're going to say "he's tough, sticks to his principles" and other bullshit, let him stay and do what he wants? I think he owes an apology before a deal can even be talked about, otherwise the apology is meaningless.

--Ron

Surely you didn't miss the sarcasm of my question? It was noted just below my name on the post you quote.

--Ron

"lemecdutex -- You know, there is an alternative to either Glenn or Kerr making up your mind for you. Oh wait, what might that be?"

OK, I'll bite. Who made up your mind for you, then?

--Ron

PS: just commenting on the ridiculousness of such a comment.

"Actually it is sooo much easier for Glenn to make up our minds for us."

Orin Kerr is a professor, correct? Am I mistaken in thinking that means he has students, and that he teaches them? If I'm not mistaken, then what is the value of Kerr's teaching? Why would anyone want to learn from someone who cannot or will not (I don't know which is worse) answer a substantive question, and yet, makes substantive (but not substantiated) accusations? Doesn't he lower the value of an education from his school? Wouldn't a rational person doubt the ability of anyone who had an education there?

Seems to me there ought to be consequences for a professor who does not respond rationally and who either purposely, or else is incapable of understanding the questions before him and does not sensibly defend his own conduct.

--Ron Robertson

Obviously, you care TOO much. I don't know why you find it necessary to call gay people nazis, brownshirts and the like, but you don't do that if it doesn't matter to you whether someone is gay or straight.

That lie goes with the others you haven't corrected, like where you say Glenn was against traditional families, that he wanted to deport them, etc. You're long on accusations and short on facts. But then, religionists like you don't believe in facts, only faith.

So, one day, when you decide you don't want to lie all the time any more (if that day ever comes), maybe you can see the difference between taking the rights of people away, and the rights of some to force their views on others via the law.

NO ONE is making religious fools like you marry someone of the same sex, it's only fools like you that think you have the right to define what marriage is for other consenting adults.

--Ron

<<In the end, be gay or straight - I don't care.

Just don't use the law to force your extreme agenda or try to make others call what is wrong, right...>>

Are you really that stupid and fucked up in your head? Where did Glenn say he didn't like traditional peoples?

Where did he suggest we deport anyone at all?

Where did he suggest concentration camps?

I'll tell you where, in the failing neurons of your brain, and that's the only place it happened.

Proposition 8 doesn't protect anything, it damages the civil rights of gay people. Civil Unions do not equate to marriages, legally. Until or unless they do, then you have no argument, except specious ones.

And who are the gay nazis? I think that says a whole lot about you and any notion you spout about protecting anyone's rights.

You are despicable.

--Ron

You're so self-righteously obnoxious about deciding what is the right relationship for other people! People aren't interchangeable pieces on a checkerboard! If TCF has found the right person in her friend, and he's found that right one in her, the only appropriate response from anyone but those two is congratulations.

Really, the casualness of denying people happiness is sickening. Instead of spending all your fucking time trying to stop people from living, why not come up with cheaper energy solutions. It takes energy to live, we need to come up with alternative forms of energy, not stop living.

--Ron

..no to personal happiness. It's no one's business who one has a relationship, how it's conducted, or where (I'm talking about consensual adults).

A joke I've long used is that all religions can be summed up in one word: NO.

I think that can be applied to some of the more extremist environmentalists as well, who treat it like a religion, rather than a problem to be solved.

--Ron

Yes, Franken might have some big shoes to fill, which certainly didn't happen with Coleman who immediately succeeded Wellstone.

It'd be good to get rid of Coleman, as well as Mitch McConnell. It looks like that awful cretin Marilyn Musgrave is going to lose, and I hope Michele Bachman loses as well.

--Ron