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Saturday, November 22, 2008 01:25 PM

bamage

I have a link here (and wouldn't Derbig be astonished?) that, of course, you're free to reject if you choose:

http://mediamatters.org/progmaj/report

Saturday, November 22, 2008 01:55 PM

bamage

My comment about your comment about the P-I-complex should've used snark tags, I guess.

My error. I'm still recovering from mr snoid's comment about having nothing worthwhile to say.

I'm stalwart and working hard to be relevant (although I believe GoodCelery! thinks me so).

Saturday, November 22, 2008 02:02 PM

Mona

Anyone who has any significant exposure to the American prison system knows this is true, and thus should know that Abu Ghraib was not an aberration ...

Do I remember right that the US imported to Iraq prison guards? I seem to recall that they did so.

Saturday, November 22, 2008 04:23 PM

Very Droll

post. Nice.

I'm not Quaker-schooled or trained. My only experience is more oaten than anything (and who didn't see that coming?).

Saturday, November 22, 2008 05:17 PM

Msoverall

Quit your all this bitching and whining. As someone said, if you can't get on board, shut your mouth and get the hell out of the way!

Wow! Have a bowl of oats and calm thyself.

Saturday, November 22, 2008 05:35 PM

Msoverall

Okay. I agree--of course--that the decision belongs to them alone.

Saturday, November 22, 2008 05:55 PM
Original article: Get over it, Clinton haters

I Haven't Read

all of the comments (244+!) because I have only so much time before I depart the planet, but The answer is not necessarily that his campaign rhetoric was false or insincere, but that he developed respect for her over the difficult months of that harsh contest -- and came to believe that she would be as formidable at his side as she was in his face.

Please.

It's not a big deal to me who the Sec.y of State is; I only wish to see a change in policy. If that's accomplished with Hillary Clinton, good.

But to say that Obama "came to believe that she would be as formidable at his side as she was in his face" is a peculiar--to say the least--remark. Of course she's formidable; she's a successful politician as is he. He was aware of that then, not just now. These are calculations that undoubtedly are hard, harsh and pretty ugly (as is said of sausage making).

It's really rather insulting to say To be willing to sacrifice her Senate seat--and an apparent offer to join the Democratic leadership --she must have come to a very different view of Obama's potential than the skepticism expressed by her and her supporters in the heat of the primary.

Hell's bells! These are political animals. She didn't "come to a very different view of Obama's potential." She drew the obvious conclusion: he's the next president.

Saturday, November 22, 2008 06:05 PM
Original article: Get over it, Clinton haters

BurrDeming

Favorite line: But what is really neat is that 6 out of 10 Republicans want the GOP to continue getting even more conservative. Only 28% want more moderation.

That is good news.

Sunday, November 23, 2008 02:36 AM
Original article: Get over it, Clinton haters

gehgoeson

There's a hell of a universe next door, but we can't go. Booked up. Or hermetically sealed.

That line, fascinating.

Sunday, November 23, 2008 02:39 AM

heru-ur

What's a "short bus"? (the rest of your comment came through loud and clear).

Sunday, November 23, 2008 02:51 AM
Original article: Get over it, Clinton haters

gehgoeson

Meanwhile, I think I'm a bit of a Jinn.

I know you're talking to Klytus but I thought I'd say: you know, I think you are.

Sunday, November 23, 2008 04:16 AM
Original article: Get over it, Clinton haters

gehgoeson

The rest I wrote ("...but we can't go. Booked up. Or hermetically sealed.") That's my add-on.

I definitely give you an A. The add on enhanced cummings' original. As I said to GoodCelery! the other day, even when the line is from another, he finds its application. As did you.

Yes, O'Neil was the name (or, when I'm feeling whimsical, Hooligan).

Sunday, November 23, 2008 10:27 AM

selise; pieceofcake; RMP

the fact that you haven't read them doesn't mean they don't exist. for economics how about stiglitz at treasury, bair to stay at the fdic (although she would probably be good at treasury as well) and roubini as chair of the CEA?

Agree with this, particularly the oft-cited but otherwise oddly ignored (in my view) Roubini.

pieceofcake: most of the young voters of Obama gave up on these silly academic "label' discussions since a long time. For them all 'the old definitions of political affiliation are now TRULY bogus' (as the dude from Taos wrote) and they think its kind of absurd (or funny?) that so called 'Progressives' are still rehashing this crap ....

There may be a lot of truth to this, at least anecdotally. Younger family members shrug their indifference to this (one told me "it sounds like a bunch of people wearing berets and drinking espresso in a French cafe").

RMP: Voters can't claim to be misled when the historically discredited policies Obama is promising inevitably go bust. He told them exactly what he was during the campaign, and they chose either not to hear him or to pretend the left was really the middle. I've quoted H.L. Mencken many times since the election and will do so again: "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard."

Thanks for that. I've never heard of Finley but I don't believe I could be felled more easily with an axe. The entire piece oozes with condescension and not a little bit of anger.

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