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Monday, November 30, 2009 01:35 PM

bernbart

Maybe if you read the original articles instead of just Glenn you would understand how he often takes comments pit of context ....

What makes you think I don't? Let me tell you that I do. And still you haven't offered any evidence for your objection regarding context.

If, for example, I were a pundit and wrote

"Well, Suck. On. This. That, Charlie, was what this war was about,"

I'd assume the reader understood my meaning to be "Well, Suck. On. This. That, Charlie, was what this war was about." The context is pretty clear.

And if I later wrote

But for every Abu Ghraib, our soldiers and diplomats perpetrated a million acts of kindness aimed at giving Arabs and Muslims a better chance to succeed with modernity and to elect their own leaders,

It'd be pretty obvious that I'd changed my "belief" as to why the Iraq war was waged.

From Suck. On. This. to succeed with modernity and to elect their own leaders.

Pretty stark difference.

As for

Glenn for instance is suggesting that Mr. Mrs.Evan Bayh is on these BOD because her husband got her these jobs, ignoring the facts of Mrs. Bayh's own career,

my question is do you read the links Glenn provides? One of them reads

When he was governor, Bayh’s wife, Susan, was a lawyer for Lilly. After it became clear he was going to be a senator, she started stacking up memberships on the boards of health-care corporations.

Susan Bayh got paid a little over $2 million for her service between 2006 and 2008. Her husband had a good 2008 also, collecting more than $500,000 in campaign donations from the health-care industry.

And similarly,

You have Bart Peterson, the former Democratic mayor of Indianapolis, going to work for Eli Lilly and Co. as a lobbyist against any profit-threatening health-care legislation his party might contemplate ... U.S. Sen. Evan Bayh ... employed Peterson as his chief of staff when he was governor. Personal associations, he assures us, have no bearing on his public policy decisions.

Do you really fail to see the incestuous relationships here?

Monday, November 30, 2009 11:21 AM

You Keep Saying

this, bernbart

Well since Glen spends so much time cutting and pasting(out of context) from the'paper bible' he must be reading it

but you never provide examples illustrating how Glenn Greenwald takes these guys "out of context." Why not? These pundits and politicians contradict themselves regularly, hypocritically, and he points it out.

Bringing these facts to light, daily, is valuable in and of itself.

Of course, I'm not a member of the elite as you are

I leaned over to my husband and said "time to buy that house in Mexico."

And I hope I didn't take that out of context.

Sunday, November 29, 2009 04:39 PM

bernbart

When writers, like Glenn take excerpts totally out of context like he has done with Tom Freiedman's's opinions he creates a dishonest presentation and discussion.

How was the context distorted?

Friedman

Well, Suck. On. This. That, Charlie, was what this war was about.

And

sometimes it takes a 2-by-4 across the side of the head to get that message.

Yet today he scribbles

Have no doubt: we punched a fist into the Arab/Muslim world after 9/11, partly to send a message of deterrence, but primarily to destroy two tyrannical regimes — the Taliban and the Baathists — and to work with Afghans and Iraqis to build a different kind of politics.

So "working with" means, in the Friedman context, murdering countless men, women and children (or, using Friedman's benign phraseology, "build[ing] a different kind of politics").

And to wrap it up

In the process, we did some stupid and bad things. But for every Abu Ghraib, our soldiers and diplomats perpetrated a million acts of kindness aimed at giving Arabs and Muslims a better chance to succeed with modernity and to elect their own leaders.

Or a million bullets, shells, missiles, drone-firings, etc.

Definitely, that sort of kindness wrapped in modernity and democracy is a kindness anyone would welcome.

Sunday, November 29, 2009 03:49 PM

That's Nice

calamine.

Irish? must be, you always think you've suffered more than anyone else - actually only 10% died in the Great Famine and another 10% migrated - largely to TV - as soon as you got here you started murdering blacks and beating up Jews.

A worthy display--and utterly devoid of the smear and/or cheap shot--of your maturity as a fellow human.

A real testament, Old or New, to our collective betterment, that. And then there's this marvelously wizened bit of lint

So, Beans&Greens ... You're one of THEM. Do you have children? If so, they're raised Catholic, no?

None or Nun?

What a shriveled fellow you are.

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