Letters to the Editor
ljwalker53
Published Letters: 559 Editor's Choice: 9
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@ Xrandadu Hutman: Ad-Hominem Attacks?
[Read the article: Hillary Clinton's Texas-size moment ]
[Read more letters about this article: Here]Really, hutman. Accusing me of ad hominem attacks shows your ignorance of argument and persuasion. Reviewing some of your letters I see a rather consistent pattern in your attacks on others. To wit:
Hillary Clinton is wheezing "for shame!" and "shame on you!" and I've seen her supporters use the "Shame, shame, shame!" charge repeatedly in this thread.
1. This is hasty generalization and a straw man.
I also fail to see how the use of the term "bitch" translates into killing somebody on the Titanic, etc.
2. This is false analogy and a red herring (talk about sexist).
Sure it makes sense, but what makes less sense is that you only came into existence, message-wise, during this campaign, and that for all of that time you only have written about Clinton/Obama, with no other comments about any of a myriad of subjects.
3. This is hasty generalization and red herring.
"The point about Obama's words is that they are just words. And anyone can say them. They don't show or prove that he can do anything, other than speak well."
(DeeperTruth)
That's a Hillary talking point. It's not even a substantive criticism
(Your reply to DeeperTruth)
4. This is a red herring and a straw man.
Wait -- didn't you say you were intelligent and well educated, and that you care about truth? Okay, then here is some material for you to look into:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/20/201332/807/36/458633
The article gives a detailed analysis of both Clinton's and Obama's legislative records.
(your reply to DeeperTruth)
5. This is a hasty generalization, equivocation, begging the question and appeal to false authority.
Anyway, I didn't make any statement about whether any of this was unethical. I only pointed out the facts of the matter.
(your reply to a DeeperTruth post)
6. This is a red herring and equivocation.
It details the problems Hillary Clinton encountered when her record-breaking $8 million book advance. It seems that there were strong concerns that Hillary had committed an ethics violation, because such a huge advance (from a Viacom company, Simon & Schuster) can easily be seen as a back-door political contribution
7. This is a red herring, equivocation and appeal to ignorance.
The main difference between Obama and Bush, though, is that Bush is a complete dumbass. Obama is quite intelligent.
8. This is ad hominem and a red herring.
Her candidacy would not have been possible without family connections. Her political history goes back to the governorship of a southern state. Prior to that, like Bush, her primary career experience was in corporate business. So if we're going to be talking about the Bush comparison, start with Hillary.
9. This is straw man, red herring, hasty generalization and appeal to ignorance.
Choosing who to vote for is like choosing a car to drive across the country. You want to travel safely, comfortably, smoothly, but with good gas mileage and a solid experience.
10. This is false analogy.
except for the fact that she's such a low-integrity twit
though she was all over the map tone-wise. One minute she's attacking, the next minute she's smoochy again. Barack Obama, by contrast, played it typically cool and smooth, not ever getting rattled
11. This is ad hominem and straw man (and again goes to the issue of sexism).
Before Tuesday's debate I hope Obama trains with some improv comedians. Or he can just keep playing it cool and hope Hillary's joke writers continue in their current direction: "Your immigration policy is not 'Yes We Mexi-Can' ... it's 'No We Mexi-Can't'!" Then Obama can just wait for the boos to pour in and he'll wrap up the nomination.
12. Race-baiting/red herring, straw man and hasty generalization.
Seriously, what do you care what I do? Why aren't you asking the 15 Hillary supporters who go around posting the same spam-like attack posts against Obama? Start with factcheck1 and factcheck2, move on Notorious W.E.S. and AKA Smith,
13. This is guilt by association, red herring, and ad hominem.
"How can you have universal healthcare that leaves 14MM people uninsured?"
Well HELLO Mr. Clinton Talking Point! There is no evidence that Obama's plan would leave all those people uninsured. I think the difference between Obama's policy and Clinton's is that Obama isn't promising something that he will have a hard time delivering. He's promising affordable healthcare, not an overnight transition to total 100% guaranteed 24-hour healthcare for every man, woman, child, cat, kitten, and pet rock who has the sniffles.
14. This is ad hominem, false dilemma, straw man.
Would you want to hire an engineer to build a bridge if that engineer had granted another engineer the permission to start an unending war in Iraq?
15. This is a false analogy, a red herring and a straw man.
Revere: "Hillary has been tried and tested."
Hardly. Hillary Clinton barely has more Congressional experience than Obama does. She wasn't exactly tried and tested in the 1990s -- her husband was. Prior to that she worked in corporate law. How did that prepare her for public office?
Hillary Clinton's prime experience outside of being First Lady was 16 years working to promote the interests of large corporations. I am sure that gave her experience, but I question whether it's the kind of experience we want in the White House. Hillary Clinton's Senate experience is not stellar and she made most of her moves with one eye on the White House,
I only ask that you hold Obama and Clinton to an equal set of standards. Can you do that much?
(Your reply)
16. This is red herring, hasty generalization, false dilemma, appeal to ignorance and slippery slope. In addition, it is part and parcel of the whole dismissing/denying/downplaying/ denigrating and outright lying about her experience (that I have called you on before).
About what I've come to find among a good number of Obama's followers. A long litany of tirades against Clinton supporters, usually filled to the brim with every type of argument fallacy...